Anime "Deletion Theory" *EXE and Stream spoilers*

Wackoman.EXE · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:15 am Post subject:

What he said. If all Darkloids data was corrupted they'd have to be re-written to become good. However Bubbleman came to the light side at his own accord. And the effect of the environment theory is proven further with the case of NapalmMan. He became good because of the kindness and wamrth he received from Nenji, meaning navis (like humans) can be effected by their surroundings.
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tuxdev · Net Savior Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 139

If the darkloids' data is in a different format than other navis, they might be slowly adapting to stay compatible with the network so that they can interact with it. Contact with humans and other navis accelerates the process, since they need to be the most compatible at those times. Bubbleman, Napalmman, Needleman, and to a certain extent Shademan had the most contact, so they realigned. Dark chips might have the effect of reversing this process, so continued use of them formats their data in a way that cannot exist on the network, effectively deleting them.
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Midnight · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject:

Intriguing--that certainly is quite a logical extension of what was stated before--the adaptation of data to the mainstream environment lends more credibility to navis being sentient beings--since they can and will conform based on their own innate sense of right and wrong.

As for DarkChips, I like that theory--it definitely can reverse what the environment has done. However, it seems the anime has implied (mostly what Shademan has quipped to himself in one of the episodes) that DarkChips do actual physical damage to a navi's data--much like what upper-level gamma rays and other forms of particulate radiation do to an organic lifeform's DNA. Eventually, there will come a point where the damage is so extensive that the original form is irretrievable because the damage is irreversible--going back to the analogy I used, there's only so much that DNA polymerases and repair enzymes can do, and critical damage can and will lead to death.
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Wackoman.EXE · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject:

And if you wanted to state it datawise, it's kind of like your cookies on the internet. Your computer has the data of what sites you've visited, so navis retain the data from the way they've been treated and the places they've visited...

Wow. I'm starting to confuse myself. @_@
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Haly K · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject:

Might I say something about the Darkloids please?

You see, Regal gave the Darkloids DarkChips, right? Also, the Darkloids were living alone on the Net before Regal found them and gave them those DarkChips, right? Therefore, they weren't corrupt before Ragal found them. I guess you could say that, back then, they weren't even really considered 'Darkloids'.

Now, when they used the DarkChips, they were infected with DarkSouls. They had to keep using DarkChips in order to replace the data they lost after using one. ( I'm pretty sure that was mentioned in the ep were SavageMan went DarkSoul.) I'm guessing that BubbleMan and ShadeMan didn't use the Darkchips as much as the others, maybe not at all, since ShadeMan didn't trust Regal since the begining ( More or less, I think.) and BubbleMan was either too much of a wimp to try 'em or the others kept stealing his DarkChips. ( Seeing as he SEEMS to be the weakest Darkloid.)

As for the Deletion Theory, I think that, as many have said, the data isn't really 'deleted'; merely scattered across cyberspace and therefore able to be recollected and reconstructed back into the original NetNavi. *nod nod*
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tuxdev · Net Savior Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 139

Maybe Dark chips do format the data in a way that Dr. Hikari doesn't know(after all, they are an invention of Regal's) and he interprets the format as corruption. If you try to mount a FAT filesystem as EXT2, it will complain of corruption.
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ComicX6 · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject:

I'm pretty sure Bubbleman has used at least 1 Darkchip in the past. At the end of his intro ep, he pleads to Shademan '' I can do this! I need more Darkchips!''

I believe that the Darkloids were a group of navis with normal programing. They made the choice to become evil. When they used Darkchips for the first time, their data was rewritten and corrupted by the Dark Energy. The result is they crave Darkchips, and can use them without and structual damage, though over time they will be completely corrupted and their main progams: Flashman.EXE, Beastman.EXE etc. will be consumed, leaving behind an empty shell, as in Flashman's case.

Think about it, the fact that Protoman and the countless other navis went crazy when they were fiirst exposed to Darkchips, while the Darkloids appear to just get a headache, supports this theory. Have too much though and you are toast, a la Flashman.

They're like cigerettes, first time you have um, it's horrible, but then you get used to sending smoke into your luyngs. Then you crave more nicotine, and the more you have, the quicker you die.

And I do not smoke. I will not corrupt my body like that.
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Haly K · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject:

Yeah, BubbleMan probably used at least one, but it probably/ovbiously wasn't enough to completely corrupt him...? ( I'm starting to get a headache from think about this too much. @_@ )

But Yuichiro DID say that the Darkloids were created on their own, right? So ovbiously, they were a group of solo NetNavis that were created without the help of humans ( Somehow) and were turned evil by the DarkChips. The only question left ( Beside the whole deletion thing) is how exactly the Darkloids were created. Data can't develop into something else by itself... right? :O ( One exception would be the D-Reaper from Digimon Tamers.)

I have a small theory on how exactly the Darkloids were created, but it involves some things from my fan fics, so I won't even bother putting it here. ( It's a bit of a spoiler for a future fic, actually. -_-; [hint] It invovle the Star Pendant a bit.[/hint]
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Guernsey · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject:

I'm not good at all this intelligent talk stuff but do you think that what you guys all say contributes to how the Darkloids can make Dimensional Areas anytime, anywhere? And even if they are deleted where does all the data go? How are Ghost Navis created?
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Wackoman.EXE · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:37 am Post subject:

GHost navis are imprints of navi left behind on the net, cookies in a sense.

As for how Darklloids were created, how about this? Since Darkloids didn't appear until after many evil navis were deleted, what if each time a navi with a dark heart (Freezeman for example) is deleted, some (or a lot) of their "evil" data becomes a Darkloid. Another theory is that Darkloids are shadows of navis who were mistreated/abandoned and then deleted. Comic' theory also makes sense, more so than the two I've presented in fact. :O
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Crimson Seiko · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:45 am Post subject:

I think we're getting more complex than the anime writers themselves ever intended. I have a couple of comments, though...

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Corruption and Darkloids
I think that Darkloid is too broad a term... there may be more than one kind of Darkloid. For example, Bowlman... he wasn't a Darkloid, but when given a Dark Chip... he became one. This was obviously data corruption, something a Dark Chip seems to specialize it. It corrupts data, makes navis evil, gives them intense power, but eats away at their structure until they eventually die. As for naturally-created Darkloids... I guess it could go two ways. I'm sure it's possible that the data is reconstructed in a corrupted fashion, thus creating a navi the same way corrupting a pre-existing one with a Dark Chip would do. Or, as you said, environment could play a role. Remember the UraNet, guys? I'm sure most Darkloids are born and "raised" in the UraNet, the cyber world 'hell'. That's enough to make them evil.

Bubbleman
This is a strange case that I can't fully put an opinion on since I'm not 100% positive if he's ever taken a Dark Chip. Was his Axess episode 3 line in the dub or the original too? If it's dub-exclusive, ignore it. Point is, though... I haven't seen Bubbleman take a Dark Chip... ever. My guess is that Bubbleman, being the kiddish and impressionable navi he is, is a Darkloid "wannabe." He looks up to Shademan, a Darkloid... so he wants to be a Darkloid. He's awful stubborn about reminding Rockman and the others that he's a Darkloid, isn't he? He's not evil at heart... just a misguided child.

Asteroids
I've noticed the mention of Asteroids in the discussion... trying to figure them out may be completely in vain. The anime doesn't give us nearly enough material to work with to make any sense of these guys. Not once did any of the characters acquire and analyze a Dimensional Chip, something that tons of operators were carrying. It seemed so obvious that Yuuichirou and Meijin would want to figure out how these things work, but alas, it never happened. And unlike the Darkloids and Zoanoroids, the Asteroid navis never seem to be discussed at all by the series' characters. They're just "there." We don't know how they were created (other than by Slur, but how'd SHE do it?), how they work, why they're so big, how the D-Chip works, nothing. They're just oversized clones of pre-existing navis (or in some cases, new navis, like Yamatoman) that want to manipulate their operators and do evil... And all we know of the D-Chip is that it makes them appear in the real world, super-sized... that and it seems to have some slight "Dark Chip" effects (notice now Napalmman began having a slight change of heart until the D-Chip was slotted in and he went on a rampage). I guess what I'm saying is... Asteroids may be better left as a mystery to us and the characters (just like pretty much anything Duo-related).

This data-drift theory stands up quite well, so I suppose it's the best alternative. I mean, the series even shows some evidence of it (like how Pharaohman's deleted data created Forte and Gospel)... and it makes you wonder if Dark Rockman's birth didn't have something to do with Rockman's deletion back in the original EXE (though I believe Regal explained Dark Rockman's creation in Stream... I'm not sure). Nonetheless, I'm going with the data-drift theory.

Wackoman.EXE · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:13 am Post subject:

Woah. Big post. I see your point Seiko, plenty of villain navis have had a change of heart.

And your thoughts on not attempting to figure out asteroids is good advice. Anything Duo related, as you said, shouldnt even be attempted. Their's just not enough information. The end of Stream confused me infinetely because of all the stuff happening at once that was never explained.
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tuxdev · Net Savior Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 139

Freezeman was "operated" by shuryou and Bombman, Stoneman were "operated" by Wily. For my use of "operated", I refer to the Hub.bat event in EXE 1, how previous generation navis could only do what the operator told them, and next gen navis had programming based on the DNA of the operator and adapted to their interests. Sometimes navi becaomes similar to the operator, like Roll and Gutsman, then other times they are complementory, like Megaman, Magnetman(with Tesla) and Searchman(sort of).

Asteroid navis are definitely outside understanding, since they have alien influence.
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Crimson Seiko · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

I also don't think it's a good idea to mix game, anime, and manga. In the anime, Freezeman was not operated by anyone... nor did Wily operate Bombman and Stoneman in any way. They were independent net navis (which was hammered into our skills), meaning they didn't need operators to unleash their full potential.

The concepts in the games, anime, and manga are all very different. I figure it's a better idea to just stick with one medium at a time.
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tuxdev · Net Savior Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 139

I am saying that even if Freezeman, Bombman, and Stoneman were independent, they drew their intents from Shuryou and Wily, as if they were operators.
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Guernsey · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject:

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Haly K · Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject:

Even though people are pretty much avoiding trying to think up of an explanation for Asteroids, I'll give it a shot. -_-;

In my opinion, Asteroids are just reincarnations of the old Darkloids, but they still have their old memories. ( I remember someone confirmed this somewhere...) Since Slur and Duo are from another planet and can do this sort of thing, for all we know they could be actually gods of another planet. I'm guessing that the 'turn into a giant when using Dimenstional Chip' thing is a side-effect from being reincarnated... >.>;;

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