DarkSoul questions *Spoilers*

WarpObscura · Net Battler Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 87

First, mods if you read this, please don't lock! The DarkSoul already got featured publicly so it shouldn't be considered as spoiling! Anyway...

A friend had some DarkSoul questions, so I'm posting them up for him.

Raijin · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject:

I don't see anything wrong with that take on the DarkSoul. If it's for a FanFic or something like that it works just fine. As for DarkLoids/Dark Dwellers/Dark Navis, I'd just go with the explanation that they're well synchronized with their DarkSoul. If they're evil to begin with then they can keep themselves under control. I suspect a "DarkLoid" is a type of AutoNavi designed specifically to use Dark Chips and use dark power without suffering any negative side-effects. Same thing goes for Bass, excpept I doubt he was designed to use Darkness, he just became adept with it on his own.

blazequest · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject:

Who in the bleeping hell is Jazz? If it's a character, I'm gonna be pissed, cause I wanted to make a fan character called Jazz. Things never go my way, honestly.

Anyways, Your information seems right. I'm no official expert, but I have my own theories. I think that A Darkchip doesn't really make the darksoul stronger, so much as it makes a navis soul weaker. A darkchip erodes a navi's soul making it more succeptible to the darksoul.

Essentially the dark soul is the inner demon of a navi, it is a manifestation of the evil deeds a navi can commit. Because of this, no, a darksoul can't be destroyed. It's part of the navi's concience. It can only be subdued. As you may already know, Darksouls feed on dark holes, which provides them with dark soul energy.

But a darksoul cannot normally separate from it's host navi. Only an extremely powerful navi can extract the darksoul from a navi. For example,[spoil:cacacce372] Laserman[/spoil:cacacce372]. So the reason a darksoul doesn't reveal itself is that it can't.

I hope you've seen the end of Axess. Cause if not...[spoil:cacacce372] You saw when Blues merged with his darksoul? Well, that was because Laserman brought him out. Blues wouldn't have become Dark Blues if his Darksoul had not been released.[/spoil:cacacce372]

The other thing is, Rockman and Blues are special. They are heroic and powerful navis and as such, their Darksouls are super strong. Their power gives them a great capacity to do evil, hence a powerful darksoul. That is what attracts them to Nebula. All the other navi's have paltry darksouls compared to our two heroes.

As for Bass, I guess he was just made to have Dark energy. I personally thought he was a Bug navi. He's called "The Dark Shadow" or something, so I guess Darkness is just in his system. I also doubt he was programed that way, but I don't see how he could have gotten it otherwise. I guess he just is a darksoul!
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Midnight · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject:

If you are talking about the anime and any non-game areas, then the above two posters hit it right on the head.

If you are talking about the game, DarkSoul is a pitifully weak option meant only to lure naive players. It's mediocre at best when you start off, then just plain collapses.
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WarpObscura · Net Battler Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 87

So... The DarkSoul, if I read the replies thus far correctly, is inherent and not formed by DarkChip usage?

Raijin · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject:

It seems BN4's concept of "Darkness" moved in to replace BN2 and BN3's concepts of "bugs". In BN3 we learn that bugs merely bring out a navi's own destructive animal nature, thus explaining why a navi made entirely out of bugs suddenly turned into a wolf-like creature. For Bass, his inner beast is a wolf, and with enough bugs, it takes over his body in the form of Gospel.

Since DarkChips cause bugs, there may be a stronger connection between darkness and bugs. Both bugs and darkness eat away at the soul, reducing a navi from a sentient being to a mindless killing machine. They may even be the same thing on some level.

Midnight · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject:

blazequest · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject:

It's duality. The brightest light casts the darkest shadow. Well that's how I see it anyway.

The point it, Blues and Rockman have powerfull Darksouls. They are themselves powerful navis after all. And I think I may be wrong. I think darkchip usage does contribute to the strengthening of a darksoul. It wouldn't really make sense otherwise.
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WarpObscura · Net Battler Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 87

Points noted.

I have my own question... Why is it that sometimes the DarkSoul can be defeated (BN4 mainly) and sometimes it cannot (BN5)?
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Hub · Net Battler Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 54

(cracking his fingers to start typing) Okay here's the fact

Note: If you watch star war, it kinda relates to it because Anakin Skywalker gave in to the dark side and influence him to be on th wrong side and lost complete control of himself. If you watch Star War or read it, then you don't want to read this then.

Darksoul, it is a soul that contain negative energy (no not opposite personality) which are made from these signs:
Anger
Hate
Fear
Greed
Dispair
Destruction (or Recklessness)
Sorrow

These what create the power of the darksoul, all negative energy that can strenghten even higher if using the darkchip. Yes the darkchip. it is said that the darkchip was created by the darkness of space and it also said that it creation was originated from [spoil:7351d93164]Nebula Grey[/spoil:7351d93164] own guts......Well actually from the evil spirits he have gather (he have no data organs and I'm not refering to the musical instruments). Also grabing the evil spirits souls and forcing it into the chips. The darkchip in the anime, have use the evil spirits that was originated from a dark world or [spoil:7351d93164]Nebula Grey[/spoil:7351d93164]. In the game is similar to the anime, except that the darkchip that have the similar battlechip element like dark sword is data of a sword that hunger for battle (like that Muramasa sword) that includes with the other darkchip..... Too tire must rest for the moment..........
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blazequest · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject:

Where did you find this? And don't you think you should mark it as a spoiler?

Where that does clear up where the dark chips came from. But I think the reason the darksoul can be defeated in BN4 is because he was a boss. You had to defeat him. In BN5 he's more of an obstacle, a hurdle that makes it much more difficult to win battles. It was made this way for game purposes.

But if your looking for a practical reason, *scratches head* not sure yet. Maybe when I finish BN5 I'll have an idea, but not now.
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Raijin · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject:

I think Hub's just pulling all that out of his ass. For one thing it's shown in EXE5 how Dark Chips are made, and they're just refined from Magnemetal, not in the spoilerific way Hub described.

**Sketch** · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:52 am Post subject:

While he may be spouting nonsense...I still marked his spoilers for [spoil:5312c153d2]Nebula Gray[/spoil:5312c153d2] Even though I have said countless times to MARK HIS NAME FOR SPOILERS. --
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blazequest · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject:

What I want to know is where the dark chips came from originally. Even if they are made from metal found on Earth, I doubt they were created by humans. They probably needed an alien influence to make them.
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Hub · Net Battler Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 54

[spoil:f58fa74ddb]...........Well How suppose to know that no one know the next boss HUH?!
(staring at blazequest with eyes of pure anger and ready to rip him to a saw dust) :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

I take that insultment very annoying :grr:

I haven't explain the darksoul very well and due to some conditions I wasn't able to finish what was I'm saying. Though it would be easier if I can talk instead of typing. Anyway, dark soul is more like your inner evil or inner demon that connects to everyday problems like you can't beat up a foe and want to beat him up which is hatred. Its like fighting your own self that has another side of you.

If you are still confuse, play more RPG games to understand it better and please....... NO INSULTS!!!!!!!!!!!! :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:[/spoil:f58fa74ddb]
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**PlaguedOne** · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:54 am Post subject:

Hub, clearly you need to read the rules. You have failed to mark spoilers and are creating smilie spam. Sketch is a moderator and has every right to tell you to mark your spoilers.

It's OBVIOUS that anything from EXE5 is a spoiler. It's not even released in English yet, so that should be a major clue. But feel free to discontinue marking spoilers, and feel free to spam all the smilies in the world. Fair warning, it will get you banned. Consider this your warning.
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**Sketch** · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:58 am Post subject:

I've said it on numerous occasions to mark anything exe5 as spoilers using the Spoiler Tag. If you can't listen to that then I guess you'll be gone.
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Pyroman.EXE · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject:

The smiley spam was very funny, but, yeah, it breaks the rules, dude.

Anyways, yeah, my take on it is that the darkness within someone is fed by a dark chip. The more it is fed, the bigger it grows, until it is big enough to consume you.

As for dudes like Darkloids, I think it's just written into their programming. Navis like Shademan wouldn't be programmed to have a good side.

This may be a spoiler to n00bs, so I'm going to mark it.

[spoil:7660abddcb]Bass is scarred by his past, which is why I believe he takes the power of dark; it's powerful. He wants to destroy humanit for what they did to him. I think if the incident with Alpha and all that didn't happen, he wouldn't hate humans, so he probably would just be a normal type with normal moves, even though he's dark.[/spoil:7660abddcb]

As for darkchips, they are just made of a different programming. They are programmed with the latest deletion tools, but are programmed to be addictive, and are programmed to taint the soul of a navi. Don't forget that we're talking about technology here, not magic. These chips were programmed to be like that; they don't just do that to a navi magically.

And, so, now you are 2 cents richer.

Raijin · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject:

This discussion is a lot of interpretation, which is always a tricky thing to do with videogames. It's usually a better idea to try NOT to think about it too much. After all, this dark chip stuff isn't real, it's just a plot device invented by the EXE writers...and subsequently copied from a bunch of other stories. If anything, we should just be discussing the simple game-mechanics of dark chips in the game center, but that's just boring.

At least most of us are not going TOO far beyond the information given in the games and anime to form our interpretations...but Hub is. "If you are still confuse, play more RPG games to understand it better"? The dark chip issue has nothing to do with "other RPG games". Sure, it's a fairly stereotypical concept of darkness with a lot of similarities to darkness in other RPGs, but that's just because Capcom's writers aren't very creative. If you want to present a feasible perspective on the Dark Chip system, you should keep it as official as possible.

blazequest · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:44 pm Post subject:

That's probably right. Net battling is basically just the video game of the future, and in video games there are always weapons that are uber powerful. And they always come at a price. Like rare chips, you have to go through a whole load of work to find them, but they make you more powerful. Dark chips are a different take on that. They are easy to find and devastating, to an extent, to use. But they come at a price, by making your navi slowly weaker.

So darkchips are just a cool item in a video game that has gotten a bit too real. I mean, if capcom can program a dark chip into a megaman game, I guess it's not too hard to believe humans could make darkchips.
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