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 Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: Interview With a Guy From 4Kids |
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They have no idea, or atleast this guy doesn't.
http://www.animeboredom.co.uk/anime-articles/80/
He works on sonic x but has never seen any sonic cartoons, never played any sonic games, and never read any sonic comics. He's never even read any comics or manga. He likes manga as a concept though.
Yeah, no idea at all. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm..this Mr.Haigney guy is interesting. I don't get the whole 'liking manga as a concept' thing though. But it really does help one understand why they edit anime.(although people should know that by now.)
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Because they have very little ideas and the standards and practices are kind of dumb now but weren't always? |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Eh, he doesn't need to have a passion for what he's doing or what he's working on. The same with kids working at a grocery store, they just do it to earn money. They don't love it, at least none of my friends do.
The fact is that he has the skills to do his job and that someone hired him for his skills, not his passion. Plus, it's about the $$$.
At first I hated 4Kids for ruining shows like YuGiOh and Sonic X, now I despise Fox Broadcast Standards and Practices with a passion. What happened to those good days where violence was funny, the days of Looney Toons.
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I can't stand it when people don't pay attention to series they are making (or things they should be doing [spoil:4af6035cee]*Hint Bush who doesn't read newspapers and gets info from staff!*[/spoil:4af6035cee])! I agree that they should just allow cartoon violence back on TV; they allow live-action violence! Some of that violence is worse than a little red paint on a character's face.
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Wow, I think that guy's pretty dumb.
There's no reason to replace an entire show's music, unless it had Japanese vocals, then I can understand. Still, this guy has the idea that anime is for kids.
Which is retarted.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Jean wrote: | Still, this guy has the idea that anime is for kids.
Which is retarted. |
...While I agree with you that the guy has the wrong idea about anime, allow me to remind you of the name of the company this guy works for:
"4 Kids"
I find that it's a tad unrealistic to believe that anything produced by a company named "4 Kids" won't be geared toward the youngins. Of course, the fact that they brutaly butcher the aspects of the show that makes people want it in the first place is beside the point.
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Ming Yi
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| Yeah, 4Kids don't really care about sticking to the original as long as it gets them money. On an unrelated note, Al Kahn even said that "US kids don't read" on the 24th when he was announcing his license of Futari wa Pretty Cure. |
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They're given no choice. Their dubbing is very strict. I remember watching YuGiOh one time and Bakura said "demon" to Yugi at the blimp. Then next time, he said "fiend" instead. There were also some mistakes I spotted that involved not putting shorts on girls like Dark Magican Girl and Queen's Knight.
Out of all the shows on 4Kids, YuGiOh is the only 1 that I have interest in. At least shows like Naruto or FMA aren't there.
I think they're just changing the style from the cartoons of the past. Remember the days when someone gets sliced like salami and still live? Or when someone gets a cannonball to the face and still live? Cartoons back then were violent and they just don't want to stick to the violent, yet funny, past. Not to mention, they smoke and showed drunks.
I wonder, if these shows were made back then, they might've kept all the original violent footage.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Broken Goggles wrote: | I think they're just changing the style from the cartoons of the past. Remember the days when someone gets sliced like salami and still live? Or when someone gets a cannonball to the face and still live? Cartoons back then were violent and they just don't want to stick to the violent, yet funny, past. Not to mention, they smoke and showed drunks.
I wonder, if these shows were made back then, they might've kept all the original violent footage. |
I blame the developing double standards and such in the decline of society. I heard Speedy Gonzales of Looney Toons got banned from the US later on for being a "bad stereotype of hispanics". I am NOT kidding! |
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| Zabi wrote: | | Broken Goggles wrote: | I think they're just changing the style from the cartoons of the past. Remember the days when someone gets sliced like salami and still live? Or when someone gets a cannonball to the face and still live? Cartoons back then were violent and they just don't want to stick to the violent, yet funny, past. Not to mention, they smoke and showed drunks.
I wonder, if these shows were made back then, they might've kept all the original violent footage. |
I blame the developing double standards and such in the decline of society. I heard Speedy Gonzales of Looney Toons got banned from the US later on for being a "bad stereotype of hispanics". I am NOT kidding! |
Basically, he IS a stereotypical Mexican, and a stereotype the Mexicans here (especially the illegal ones) despise.
Doesn't change the fact that he's a classic character, but there are so many Americans that are just too politically correct. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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im just glad the transformer animes keeps the original sounds (except intro and outro). They only removed the vocals during the Unicron VS Grand Convoy battle, but kept the music.
Perhaps because it wasnt dubbed by 4kids... |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Jean wrote: | There's no reason to replace an entire show's music, unless it had Japanese vocals, then I can understand. Still, this guy has the idea that anime is for kids.
Which is retarted. |
Most anime actually is for kids. Heck, all of 4Kids' anime are for kids.
but yeah their editing practices suck |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Jean wrote: | Wow, I think that guy's pretty dumb.
There's no reason to replace an entire show's music, unless it had Japanese vocals, then I can understand. Still, this guy has the idea that anime is for kids.
Which is retarted. |
To be frank, the majority of anime IS aimed at kids, but that definately doesn't mean liking it makes you immature, which could be this guy's opinion. sure, there are more than a few shows that are aimed at mature audiences(Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Cowboy Bebop, to name a few), the vast majority of shows and many video games are aimed at the 8-14 demographic (Rockman EXE, Pokemon, Bey Blade, ect) Why do they have violence and nudity, then? Simply because Japanese culture allows that sort of thing in kids shows and Western culture doesn't, hence edits(though admittedly, their editing policies are pretty damn idiodic).
If he was to say "Manga is for kids" then he'd have a fight, since that's more main stream among adults than anime is.
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| Quote: | | Our sensibilities can be different from the Japanese. The U.S. is a larger, more culturally diverse country with more, varied sensitivities to contend with. |
>>...Uh...yeah.
I know who this guy is actually. He was on some audio commentaries for Pokemon Movies 1, 3 and 4. In the Movie 4 commentary, he had a bunch of the voice actors with him, and the way all of them spoke almost sounded like how the person interview was talking to him. It seems like he was trying to beat around the bush of telling them that a lot of what they were doing was completely uneccasary. I (and a lot of other anime fans) can understand just fine that these animes ARE indeed for kids, and that some changes DO need to be made for them to suit a Saturday morning audience...
...however, I agree on the fact that having absolutely no knowledge of what you're working on and not really BEING interested in what you're working on outside of the money-making aspects is kind of ridiculous. A lot of directors and voice actors I've seen from other dubbing companies have often said that a certain level of respect and hat-tipping to the original Japanese version, and amount of faithfulness to the original work is needed from everyone who works on it. In fact, a lot of directors from FUNimation will actually watch the ENTIRE series subtitled before they even start working on the dub.
Laslty, I unfortunately gotta agree with his statement about 4Kids probably being the biggest company to get anime out there to the public audience, with the exceptions of some other shows that are aimed towards a younger audiences that were done by other companies (like the three Dragonball series for instance). But what's also unfortunate, is that DUE to all of the extreme amount of popularity that they bring in, 4Kids in general lets it get to their head, and suddenly feel like they can do whatever the hell they want -_-; |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting topic.
While I agree with the edits because of the difference between eastern-western sensitivities, does it have to include the music?
I mean, music is called the "universal language" because it IS the language of the heart. BGM's are made to emphasize what a character is feeling at the moment. Does he mean to say the emotional inclinations of eastern and western cultures vary, too? Besides, aren't the more successful games the ones that kept their original, Japanese-composed BGM's intact?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah! I have an interesting topic. Anyway I don't like how they don't know anything about what they're doing. Mostly this bugs me about sonic X but it works for everything else. The only thing 4Kid really gets right is american ideas. like TMNT and GI Joe. (Sigma Six is an anime, but it's an american idea anyway.) |
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My POINT is that they should only be dubbing anime that are indeed for kids. Pokemon isn't for our little kids, there's tons of things in it that aren't acceptable and have been edited out. But since Japan has different standards.. and many 18+ people watch that show anyway, so..
See, now SD Gundam Force works as a kids anime. So does Hamtaro. Barely anything had to be changed in Hamtaro, except for impossible to translate jokes/puns.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Jean wrote: | | My POINT is that they should only be dubbing anime that are indeed for kids. |
Having a few minutes of teen content instantly makes a show adults-only?
wow |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Pokemon is actualy a safer show then most. Just that one episode at the beach and that's really the biggest problem. |
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