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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

o_o hey look at that Greiga is a birdo_o!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZOMG this episode was totaly Awsome.... now I can't wait for the Next episode.... to bad its the last T.T ... oh well at least we have Beast Plus.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was also curious to why, when Iris appeared in net navi form on Barrel's shoulder, she looked like human Iris... but in all of the other episodes, she appeared in that baby-blue navi form when in the cyber world.


Yeah me to. I'm really confused now. Can anyone clarify if Iris is really that colorful Navi or if that actually is her navi. So that means a navi can have a navi or something? And if that was her Navi, what ever happened to it?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could have just been her disguise so no one would recognize her when she was in the net, back in Netto's world. It's understandable that she wouldn't use that form anymore now that they all know who/what she really is.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or it could just be the form she takes inside Earth's Networks. It's hard to say but I do think Ryouko's idea of the disguise is a likely one.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When they were talking to Tadashi, Iris took on her "disguise" in a Beyondard Network.

So...let me get this straight...Wily combined Gregia and Faltzer to make a body for himself? .-.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tachyon360 wrote:
Crimson Seiko wrote:
rockmansp wrote:
Thats because they're not Zoanoroids? Technically, all Zoano that appeared in the real world along with their real counterparts were only colored.

Explain the Beyondard version of Videoman.
He was the exception.

Look at it this way: In Stream, Videoman was just given to Narcy by Slur, and was thus based on the Darkloid version's design. It's assumed that Beyondard's Narcy had Videoman as his own Navi, and could thus customize him any way he pleased. Thus, Beyondard Videoman is pink, which fits Narcy's tastes quite well.

All the other Navis' operators are practically carbon copies of their Earth coutnerparts. The customizations their Navis have would therefore be insignificantly different (at least superficially) from their Earth counterparts.

Uhm... the Beyondard Videoman isn't pink. He's blue and red. And some of the navi's operators are recolored as well... Narcy's shirt is a different tint of pink and he wears a red scarf now, and Mrs. Millionaire's dress is also a different tint of green.

And I understand that Videoman is not a Zoanoroid. But he's recolored nonetheless, yet navis like Colonel and Sharkman, who are also not Zoanoroids, are not recolored. Certain Beyondard versions of humans are also not recolored (like Barrel) while others are (Narcy). I guess the inconsistency just bothers me; if they were going to recolor some of them as a representation that they're Beyondard alternates, why not all of them? It leaves room for suggestion that some of these Beyondard alternates could actually be the original ones. (What if this is the real Barrel? It'd be easy to argue with all of the Stream time-traveling weirdness that took place before.)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there anything else that was changed other than the color? Sometimes if a returning navi doesnt seem suited by a color change but the navis seems human-like, it will recieve physical changes instead, such as Quickman, whose colors weren't too different but he had less human features...

....then again....Sharkman is already an animal while Woodman and Skullman aren't very human like so that kills that idea....
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quickman doesn't count because he's a Zoanoroid. We're talking specifically Beyondard versions of navis that aren't Zoanoroids, like Videoman and Colonel...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimson Seiko wrote:
Quickman doesn't count because he's a Zoanoroid. We're talking specifically Beyondard versions of navis that aren't Zoanoroids, like Videoman and Colonel...


Maybe it was a color mistake or laziness? I mean Sharkman, Skullman and Woodman appeared for a total of 1 minute - and they reused there attack scene in this episode. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sketch wrote:
When they were talking to Tadashi, Iris took on her "disguise" in a Beyondard Network.

So...let me get this straight...Wily combined Gregia and Faltzer to make a body for himself? .-.


o_o if thats the reason thats kinda odd dont you think??
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NumberGirl wrote:
Wily: In the Dennoujuu fusion. I finally have the perfect body!
Trill: Part of it. I expected the Synchronizer's creation, and I need it for my resurrection.
Ressurection? Did he die or something?

This is getting really confusing. Could you clarify two points, please?

-Is Beyondard's Hikari Tadashi the same as Earth's Hikari Tadashi? If they're different people, did they ever meet? If they're the same, WTF did he go to Beyondard for?

-Ditto for Beyondard's Wily.

Crimson Seiko wrote:
Uhm... the Beyondard Videoman isn't pink. He's blue and red.
He's hot pink and lavender.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tachyon360 wrote:
Crimson Seiko wrote:
Uhm... the Beyondard Videoman isn't pink. He's blue and red.
He's hot pink and lavender.

Are you kidding? That's clearly red, not hot pink. It's nearly the same shade of red as Beyondard Narcy's scarf, which is nearly the same shade as Meiru's hair, which is nearly the same shade as Blues.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Wily and Tadashi of Beyondard are seperate people from the Wily and Tadashi of Earth. Should be obvious by now, especially after meeting doubles of Narcy and Barrel.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tadashi one wasn't so obvious since we've never seen the real Tadashi, and Tadashi has been mentioned in regards to Beyondard since episode 2. Plus, he seemed to recognize Netto as his grandson.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Due to quality of whatever version he downloaded plus the differences between monitors, it's not unlikely the colors are hot pink and lavender to him.

I'm surprised you mentioned the color of Narcy's scarf but didn't mention his pants being white, unlike the real world's.

The inconcistencies are odd really, there's no pattern that justifies any of the reasons why some navis suffered changes and others did not. I could see the color changes in the zoans that had a living counterpart in the real world that was actually 'around'. But many other navis didn't have any changes -like Swallowman or Cloudman- yet others like Quickman did have a different look since the beginning.

I asume this was pretty much on a whim depending of who was directing that day. XD
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tadashi of Beyondard only recognized Netto because Iris had told him about him previously. I don't remember Tadashi ever calling Netto his grandson, either.

We have seen Tadashi Hikari previously in Netto's world, in flashbacks. During the Pharoahman saga at the end of the first series, as well as in the movie most especially. I would assume he's probably passed away already in Netto's world (or retired and moved very far away o.o).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plantman wrote:
Due to quality of whatever version he downloaded plus the differences between monitors, it's not unlikely the colors are hot pink and lavender to him.

I'm surprised you mentioned the color of Narcy's scarf but didn't mention his pants being white, unlike the real world's.

I also incorrectly identified Mrs. Millionaire as having a different tint of green in her outfit when her original outfit was completely red, not green at all. Sue me. But what's it really matter if I left out the pants color? I was identifying how certain Beyondard characters were recolored while others weren't.

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The Tadashi of Beyondard only recognized Netto because Iris had told him about him previously. I don't remember Tadashi ever calling Netto his grandson, either.

I didn't know the specifics. I noted that it SEEMED like Tadashi recognized Netto as his grandson. And, yeah, I know Tadashi has been around in the show before, but where he is or whether or not he's alive has never been explained. For all we knew, he could have been living in Beyondard this whole time. Just trying to defend why it's not as obvious that Tadashi is the Beyondard version if you don't know Japanese, which is a majority of those viewing the show...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tadashi And Netto:
From what I could tell, Netto (and Enzan, and Meiru, ect) don't exist in Beyonard. However since Barrel does I guess it could be that they are there before Netto and the others were born, or its just that they don't exist period so we don't have to worry about confusing time paradoxes. Everyone that has a Beyonard counterpart that we've seen is older than Netto and the others, tis something to ponder. At any rate it sounded like Tadashi only knew about Netto and everyone coming to Beyonard because of Iris. :\

Wow, Cross Fusion. It's been a while since that happened, yeah? It was cool this time around seeing the henshins, probably because they weren't in every episode. Gotta love how Raika and Enzan stand up even though they wer dead tired from Cross Fusion.

It's so sad to see that Beast is ending next week~ Sad. But I guess we have Beast Plus :D.

Why is it that everyone is so suprised when they hear Dr. Wily? You'd think they'd almost suspect it by now Laughing.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoa, long reading @_@

My turn ^_^

Beyodard Tadashi and Beyondard Wily stuff.
1) They're both dead and saved their essences in electronic form. B-Tadashi in the DA labs, B-Wily in his labs. This was mentioned in episode 20.
2) B-Wily invented the beast element, and created Greiga and Falzer to be the ultimate incarnations of it. They grow stronger every time their opponent suffers a loss. One finishing the other off will form the "ultimate being", and Wily intended to use it for his "resurrection". Again, mentioned in episode 20.
3) B-Wily needed the Synchronizer (Trill) to gain control of the Greiga-Falzer fusion. Revealed only in this episode.

B-Tadashi and Netto:
1) Netto knows who his grandpa is.
2) B-Tadashi doesn't know Netto is his grandson, nor referred to him as that. He knows him only as Hikari Netto, as Iris told him.
3) B-Tadashi knows the gang is from another world, but, again, only because Iris told him.
* - I'm guessing that Iris doesn't even know Yuuichirou is Tadashi's son.

Misc stuff:
1) Iris' form -> unexplained. At least, there's no dialogue with direct reference to that. My guess is she doesn't have the special copyroid anymore. The "no need for disguises" theory sounds good, too.
2) Colors -> No idea. Can't tell the difference between lavender and lilac -_-;

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Rockman EXE Beast Countdown:

2 more episodes!
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