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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I doubt if they would have enough strength to blast their way into a Dimensional Area, since only a scant few minutes have passed during the whole episode, which is definately not enough time to recover.
In anime, dramatic moments are streched out and long trips are greatly shortened. I have little doubt in my mind that they had enough rest to at least attempt Cross Fusion a second time.

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Come to think of it, Beast 12 DOESN'T make sense. Why was Iris running from the shadow of Colonel...?
Perhaps it was some generic look-alike Navi?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would they have a random generic navi who's silhouette looks just like Colonel's chase after Iris?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just trying to reconcile a plot hole. After all, there are plent of generic Navis with silhouettes that look similar to Rockman's, so why not one that happened to be similar to Colonel and got taken over by the Beast Factor?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe Beast 12 was some kind of foreshadowing thing they used for when Colonel was taken over by the Beast Factor? Or it was just a lazy thing on the artist's part? Hrm.

I'd find it odd that Colonel wouldn't have a backup somewhere. I mean to me it'd make since to have Colonel backed up after Tadashi removed the emotional data (then created Iris), but that's me. Colonel's death/sacrifice will probably become a big emotional drive in the final episode with Rockman or maybe even Iris.

I miss Colonel! First he and Barrel poof with Duo in Stream, now this... gaaahh. Writers do it to make fangirls angst T_T
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toxicity break *whew!*

The question is, are we absolutely sure it was Colonel's shadow that was trailing Iris?
For all we know it could be Z-Darkman that was tailing her. It was Z-Darkman that put the tracer on her, after all.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was my thought, both Colonel and Darkman have capes, I just hadn't got around to checking the Episode yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tachyon360 wrote:
In anime, dramatic moments are streched out and long trips are greatly shortened. I have little doubt in my mind that they had enough rest to at least attempt Cross Fusion a second time.


Forgive me for saying this, but that is poor reasoning right there.

Just because it's an anime doesn't mean that its 'rules' precede over what is established fact. As it was, the whole arrival of the resistance group and the whole events at the Lab took only around ten minutes. This is shown by the fact that Sharkman, Skullman, and Woodman have to return to the PETs because their allotted time is up, which at the same time, Colonel is infiltrating the Dimensional Area.

That is not enough time for Netto and company to rest. Enough to get a breather, yes, but not near enough time to recover from the strain of Cross Fusion.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with Sol here. Just because it's anime doesn't mean they'll want to override their own rules all the time. They probably just meant for a 'dignified end' for Colonel.

That aside, there was, in fact, not enough time for them to rest up and recover, especialy considering Cross Fusion in Beyondard exhausts them much faster -not sure if this is a side effect of the 10 mins time limit or just the unstability of the enviroment; and as Crimson Seiko brought up I imagine it could be a very risky gamble to try to dive into a dimensional area in a place like beyondard. I don't know HOW functional or stable that DA is either, since apparently even Diveman and Cloudman had a time constrain despite being inside the DA.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you would think that their navis combined power could have broken the DA. If shademan could easi;y destroy a DA, the so can Rockman&co
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I'm inclined to think that the Dimensional Area is fine, but that Navis who are not Darkloids or Zoanaroids cannot normally make use of them.

I've ALWAYS wondered why they didn't simply substantiate Rockman and Blues into the real world, instead of going through Cross Fusion. It could have made sense if it was Sci Lab who initiated the Dimensional Areas but that's not the case. But, in Beyondard they can substantiate for small periods of time which makes me think that:

1. Beyondards DAs are slightly different to ours (Netto and co's)
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2. That there is a program in Beyondard that allows Navis to synchronise with a Dimensional Area.

Oh and don't forget that Viruses have NEVER had issues with DAs.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The anime is really written without the intention of the viewers questioning anything, huh...? I guess we forget it's a kids' anime...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but what would be the fun in not questioning it?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForteGS.exe wrote:
you would think that their navis combined power could have broken the DA. If shademan could easi;y destroy a DA, the so can Rockman&co


Rockman and the other navis couldn't materialize in the real world anymore at the time. They have to re-charge for 3 hours per every 10 minutes of materialization.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a question of clarification.

If a Navi is returned to his or her PET before the 10 minute limit is up, are 3 hours still required for recharging?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimson Seiko wrote:
The anime is really written without the intention of the viewers questioning anything, huh...? I guess we forget it's a kids' anime...


I should be obvious to anyone it is a show made for kids. The total abuse of time travel completely ignoring the grandfather theory in Stream is the best proof of that. Beast is simply the least childish part yet so I guess a person could forget.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The least childish? Have you seen Axess? It was dark.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The theme behind Axess was pretty dark and deperate for a show aimed preteen kids, but the fillers killed it. There would be a heavy plot-churning episode followed immediately by a light-hearted filler or two. (At least it wasn't as bad as Stream's bipolar complex.)

I'll have to concur with Zabi. Beast, though not the ravaged post-apocalyptic wasteland we all want to see*, keeps the plot rather consistently serious.


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