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Nenji

I was thinking about some of the things in Beast, having thought about doing a story involving a Beyondard Nenji. Then I thought back to Episode 23, which meant I couldn't use Napalmman as he had already been used as a Zoanaroid. But after thinking after more things and about it's relation to Stream I suddenly realised a few problems.

One: If Beyondard is supposed to be a world that closely parallels that of the EXE's own, there are a few problems. For Starters, why is Barrel in the present, instead of in the Past? And more importantly why is he in Japan and not Ameroppe? There are possible explanations for this, Stream Spoilers: [spoil:d99bc05011]Such as Spectrum and the Time Tunnel, and considering that both Tadashi and Wily have had their conciousnesses digitised, the former has to have been invented. But, considering that Regal is portrayed as being a good guy, or at least not evil, it's not as likely that the Time Tunnel was used, possible but not as likely.[/spoil:d99bc05011]

Two: Considering that Cross Fusion is not invented in Beyondard and that it still exists, it's almost certain that Duo did not come to Beyondard in that Universe. This means that all the Zoanoroids must be of the original Navis. Considering we've seen Z Gutsman and Z Medi, it must mean that Dekao and Jasmine no longer have Navis, as it's unlikely given the situation of the Beast Factor that they'd have an opportunity to replace them. It also means that Nenji would either be Navi-less, having not met A Napalmman, or that Nenjiro did not sacrifice himself in this Universe; at any rate Z-Napalmman would be the one for Darkland. Also to be considered is that we don't see any sign of a Beyonard Netto or Rockman. Whether they don't exist in Beyondard or not, I can't really say though. There are problems with some of the characters in the series at least.

I know I've rambled a bit, but there are some things about Beast that do bug me. Beyondard was a great idea, but I don't think it was entirely thought out in some ways. For a world that's supposed to be like that of the EXE world, there are some drastic differences. Some are plausible, some not so plausible.
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**Sol** · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:09 am Post subject:

Eh, I think you're looking a bit too much into the timeline.

Nowhere does it say that Beyondard is an exact parallel world of the regular one. It is similar in all the characters that have appeared, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean the timeline is the same too. If that were the case, why didn't Hikari Tadashi recognize Netto at the Dimension Area research lab? All he knew was what Iris had told him, not by relation.

Second, not all the characters who had navis in the real world had them in Beyondard. For example, Ms. Millionaire didn't have Snakeman, who appeared as Zoanoroid Snakeman.

And finally...(Beast finale spoilers):

[spoil:bbb4a5bac0]I don't think there IS a Beyondard Rockman, seeing as how Trill IS the Rockman of Beyondard. As such, that means a lot of characters may or may not exist in Beyondard, and vice versa. There isn't any proof that people like Chirol and Kurohige have a counterpart in the real world. Same with people like Phakchi, Kunio, Doutarou and Press, etc...[/spoil:bbb4a5bac0]

While I do think your thoughts have merit, I also think you're comparing it a little too closely to the real world's timeline, when Beyondard has pretty much shown it's on a different one.
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Nenji · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:27 am Post subject:

Yes, I did think about that but Yuuichiro talks about it in Episode 13, and Enzan says "The existance of a Parallel World". So, I think it's supposed to be similar.

Oh and consider, if Snakeman had been infected by the Beast Factor, it would make sense that he is no longer Millionare's Navi doesn't it? Since he's gone off to work for Falzar, Millionare is left without a Navi and no doubt she lost much of her fortune in the chaos of the Dennoujuu.
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**Plantman** · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:28 am Post subject:

In episode 13 -Sub avaible at Saito Raws- There's some talks regarding characters and relationships and the way Beyondard 'works', so to speak.

I'm not labeling it this time because this episode was subbed:

During the talk with Iris, Enzan explains that while, in fact it IS a parallel world isn't an exact copy of theirs.

He said clearly that the fact there was a Gutsman in Beyondard didn't warranty there had to be a Dekao in Beyondard as well. Beyondard has too many similarities to Netto's and Co. world, but there's still many differences.

For all we know, Barrel could have been born many, many years after Netto's world's Barrel did. Yuuichirou apparently was never born either. World Three apparently never existed in Beyondard either, or at least we never saw any hints about them happening. Beast Spoilers: [spoil:296a7611ec]Net Saviors never existed, leaving Masa and his group as the forces against the Cyber Beasts.[/spoil:296a7611ec]

Nenji and many others could very well have never been born, or they could have been born, be totally different in personality and behavior, or be exactly the same, with slight differences.

Beast spoilers: [spoil:296a7611ec]After all, Narcy had to have acquired Videoman through different means if the Duo incident never happened in Beyondard.[/spoil:296a7611ec]
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**Sol** · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:38 am Post subject:

Nenji · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:14 am Post subject:

It probably wasn't mentioned at the point Planty, to add emphasis to when Colonel was infected with the Beast Factor. If it had been mentioned that Navis could be infected, I think it would have made the moment less dramatic. Just because it's not mentioned doesn't mean it couldn't be the case, just that it's not confirmed.

On a side note, I thought that Millionare couldn't pay Mr. Press and Dotarou.

And I agree that there's a good chance that Yuu wasn't born in Beyondard considering that Regal was the one working on Dimensional Areas. In Axess doesn't Regal comment on that Yuu was the one who came up with the original concept?

It seems that, some characters were thrown in or omitted for convenience, without enough fore-planning.
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**Plantman** · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:30 am Post subject:

I want to think you meant Sol, since I didn't mention anything about the beast factor. XP
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Nenji · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:17 am Post subject:

Oh yes, Sol using your Artwork as an Avatar confused me for once. I've been working on Chinese all day and my brain is getting slightly burnt out.
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Gray17 · Net Savior Joined: 30 May 2005 Posts: 137 Location: USA

I don't think that Barrel was born later. Stream finale spoilers: [spoil:d65b51d20a]I think it's just that Duo's obvious abscence left Barrel ageing normally, instead of taking a trip to the future, running around with Duo for a while, then returning to the past all aged. He's really old in Netto's time during Stream only because of the time travel. Specifically he returned to his own time as an old man rather than the young man that the'd left it as. So without Duo, Barrel would have been aging normally and been more middle aged rather than a really old man in Netto's time. [/spoil:d65b51d20a]

I also think it's obvious that Beyondard Tadashi and Wily never had any kids. Wily doesn't raise Regal leaving him good, and Yuuichiro never exists so neither can Netto. As for the Navis which have operators in Netto's world that appeared as Zoanoids, it's a tose up whether their owners never existed, lost them to the Beast Factor, or are dead.

**Plantman** · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject:

You're missing one point. Stream Spoilers: [spoil:0a241c7fe6]Barrel was born at least 30 or 40 years prior to the time when the battle in Netto's present unfolds. (he's possibly around his 30s when the primitive network is developed and he is marked by Duo. so that's 30 years plus 20 more into the future to Netto's time.) So even if he had not aged faster with Duo, he'd still be around 50 years old in Netto's time if he had not left with Duo. [/spoil:0a241c7fe6] He obviously is NOT that old in Beast, he has the same age he had 20 Years into the past in Stream.

There's no evidence that he time traveled in Beast either, so one of the possible outcomes is that Beyondard's Barrel was born much later than his counterpart in Netto's world.
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Nenji · Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:10 am Post subject:

Considering though that the infection of the Dimensional Areas by the Beast Factor altered the ecology and environment of Beyondard substantially, it's most likely that the characters would not recognise the place for what it was.

Secondly in a practical sense, if they were to jump into a parallel universe there is a decent chance that they'd remain in the same location. However, EXE has never really attempted to be particularly based in scientific fact after Axess, so it's a mute point.

Thirdly, where was the Miliatary Base in Beast 13 again? Was it an Amerropian or Japanese Base?
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**Plantman** · Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:44 am Post subject:

An abandoned army facility in Amerope. The first Fossa Ambience appeared there when baby Trill was found.
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ElecmanEXE · Net Agent Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 252

Just a question...Would an alternate dimension or "parallel world" maintain continuity of many factors or just some? Technically, a "parallel world" can have many similar factors or attributes as the "original" but that doesn't mean everything has to. Razz

XHunter17 · Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:25 am Post subject:

yay for google

Parallel universe (fiction), alternate universes, worlds, realities and dimensions in fiction

The idea is that every possible decision in the stream of history actually went every possible way, and that all of those possibilities still exist as part of a multiverse.

so like Planty and Sol have stated already.. all because Ms. Millionaire has Snakeman as a navi in Nettos World doesn't mean that she would have him in Beyondard, In fact Ms. Millionaire in Beyondard could have been poor or blind or only had one leg.... or dare I say this..... be a guy.... why because its a Parallel world. Its like Nettos world but at the same time not like Nettos world..

It could have things that are the same.... or things that are not alike in many ways.
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