*old news*

**Plantman** · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: *old news*

Due to the removal of the edit function on this forum, you are now unable fix or edit any of your posts or comments. This unfortunately means it's now impossible for you to edit the title of your threads as well as any mistakes that could happen to be in your posts.

For this reason it is asked of you to please PREVIEW your posts to make sure they're correct before pressing the SUBMIT button. In case of any mistakes you'd need to repair, please fix all you need in a new reply and contact the moderators (Tabby, Plantman or Malik) to delete the previous post.

Due to the instauration of this new rule, you're allowed to PM Plantman or Tabby to ask for a change in your current topic title to something more general for better handling. If your post currently reads: "My Cross Fusion designs: R-Gutsman." We can change it to "Random User's Art thread."

Please keep in mind we can only perform this change once. Make sure to label really clearly in any new post containing artwork that it's an update, and preferable, add the date of update. Make your links very clear, please.

We apologize for the inconveniences this might produce.
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Darth Osiris · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:42 am Post subject:

I'm obviously missing something, but I just don't see any use for removing the Edit Button. Could you fill me in?
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**Malik** · Local Prinny Deity Age: 34 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1179

As in why?

It is removed so that people cannot back talk each other, then go back to edit out the post when a mod comes around.
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QuickmanEXE · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:41 am Post subject:

I'd hate to revive a stickied topic (hey, it's stickied and usually stickies are exempt from such rules), but as opposed to grumbling under my breath, grouching through PMs and making a whole new topic... I figured I'd make use of this one seeing as it's open and I feel like being public.

I'm also bored and in kinda a rotten mood. =P

I understand your reasons for disabling the edit function, but it's over a very trivial matter. I mean, someone gets snappy, the post is later edited, and they get off scot-free. Is it really that big of a deal to hafta go as far as to disable a very valuable function? Not really, as it happens on other forums and they still get along just fine and dandy.

Also, one can't really review their post 'fore submitting it as mebbe about an hour later, something will pop in their head that they so desperately need to add in just to make a point. So, what're they to do? Double-posting is outta the question, and waiting til someone replies will make their point completely moot. And I'm sure the staff will eventually tire of having to edit posts all the time, 'specially when people like me come around who'll have ideas pop into my head after I hit the "Submit" button.

I'm not one to sit in front of the Reply box and think for an hour. Half the time, any additional points and comments come afterwards depending if something else triggers it or I happen to do some research.

It seems to me that disabling the edit function will grow to become more trouble than it's worth. Same with disabling the "Report Post" function. Look, the staffing assignments to specific forums makes things particularly difficult whenever staff are only available at certain times. Too often have I gone to contact a staff member right when they're logging out. It's annoying, and in order to report a problem and have it dealt with promptly, I'd hafta mass-PM the staff. And I'm very sure that none of you would appreciate that. I know I certainly won't, hence why I'm thankful for such "Report a post" options.

Back to the editing... The above applies as well. We all have lives, and if I were to disable the edit function on the MMC, my inbox would fill up with "Edit this!" "Edit that!" I seriously don't have time to tackle about fifty PMs telling me to edit so-and-so's post to add such-and-such. It's frustrating, tedious, and inconvenient.

If someone edits out an offensive post to avoid trouble, then they're a coward. It could still be dealt with if the person who spots the post could report it. Edited or not, the reported post could still be dealt with according to the reporter's testimony.

Disabling those functions makes things near impossible. It's only causing aggrivation and inconveniencing problems that need dealt with. Basically, whoever devised that plan of action had one hell of a brain fart.

Perhaps that descision could be rethought. It'll be more of a hassle to deal with later on.

You guys have more intelligent members. I think we're all mature enough to be able to use the edit and report functions "properly" now. Hell, even on the MMC, which is a wretched hive of n00bs and spammy trolls, I've never had a problem that would require such silly action. I have a bigger problem with members not knowing they could edit their posts, much less report bad posts. It's like they're all used to using this system. >>;

Anywho, reconsider your descision. I think the members here are well-behaved enough to have the edit and report functions reenabled.

At least I hope so.
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**Plantman** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:34 am Post subject:

QuickmanEXE · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:09 am Post subject:

Then the staff'll be plenty busy with editing posts whenever ideas pop into my head at random times. >>;

Meh, I still find the descision and reasoning behind it to be stupid, but whatever. Just ignore me, causing a ruckus over nothing is a hobby of mine at 4 am. Either way, it's giving me more reason to abandon this place as I only joined due to Otakon. There's nothing of interest to talk about otherwise.
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**Plantman** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:16 am Post subject:

I can asure you the staff is very capable of tending to any issues that might rise regarding your posts accordingly.

You're free to stay or leave the site at your convenience. I'm sorry if the way this place is handled doesn't fit your needs, but we must cater to the needs of the community as a whole and that'll end up leaving some people finding themselves less comfortable with our system.
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**Izumi** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:38 am Post subject:

I get a "please edit this" request about once a month. I doubt anybody else is getting an overwhelming amount either.

The beauty of the edit button being gone is that now people think about what they're posting before they do it. It encourages people NOT to make trouble that they can later erase, and I daresay it forces posters to consider before they hit the 'submit' button whether they've said everything they want to say.
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QuickmanEXE · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:09 am Post subject:

Eh, I guess I'll get used to it. Kinda annoying but whatever. And if I suddenly remembered something I wanted to say, or just thought of something to add, then I'll bug ya. Seriously, more ideas tend to come to me after I submitted my reply/topic and had gone to the bathroom rather than when I'm sitting there actually typing it. Too often I forget a few things when my fingers are trying to keep pace with my train of thought. It's like a Formula One race against a bullet train. o.o;

Now I'm curious though... what exactly happened that caused the disabling of the edit function? You've piqued my interest if it is indeed as bad as you say it was. That and usually I'm not convinced til I see proof and examples. I'm difficult and stubborn like that. =P
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**Malik** · Local Prinny Deity Age: 34 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1179

Just multiple things. It also helps to track down who did what without any evidence being destroyed. For example, since we are in the fanart forum, let's do stolen fanart! Without the edit funtion, the thief cannot edit his post to make him look innocent! With it, there is a possibility that he will edit out any evidence that he committed art theft.

Things can come from anything. Someone could harass someone, threaten to kill them even, and then go back and edit it out.

The edit funtion was a privilege. If no one does anything bad, everyone's happy. But when it gets abused, then we have no other choice but to take it away. I mean, it's not going to kill you that you can't edit your posts, is it? Razz

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Sai-kun · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject:

Also, didn't Pyo say it's basically okay to Double-Post as long as it's adding something to the topic?
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**Sol** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject:

What both Sai and Malik said.

Basically, it wasn't just one whole incident. It was a series of edit abuse over the course of many months, and it was just decided after the last one just to remove the edit function altogether. And yes, you can double post (as far as I know, anyway) if it is both relevant to the topic and adds something worthwhile.
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QuickmanEXE · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject:

Sweet. Permission to double-post. Then that'll save you guys the trouble of having to edit my posts all the time whenever I suddenly think of something to add.

It'll also save me time from sitting in front of the reply box for an hour whenever I have other things I need to do. Patience is a virtue of which I don't and never will have.
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**Izumi** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:

The icing on the cake was one particular member who was habitually editing his posts whenever he said anything that sparked trouble with other members. After the other members had - usually angrily - replied, he would edit his original comment and make it look like they were overreacting.
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mega rock.exe · Net Savior Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 133

Why is it that this has only happened on this forum? I don't know why people would do something so cruel?
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**Malik** · Local Prinny Deity Age: 34 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1179

I'm sure it's happened in other forums. It's just here, we've enforced it harder than others.
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RT-fact · Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:56 am Post subject:

Okay, so we are allowed to double-post from now on... Ironically though, I got to quintuple-post in my fan art topic for updating purposes. Don't blame me, I got only one reply! Laughing

**Plantman** · Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:49 am Post subject:

Double Posting has always been allowed in the fanart, sprites, fanfics and DNN sections as long as you were updating something. It's just that now it was extended to all the other sub-forums, too.
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**Malik** · Local Prinny Deity Age: 34 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1179

Post edting is now renabled. Hopefully we will never need this topic again. Smile

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