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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Worst Dark Chip *possible spoilers* Reply with quote

i was wondering, what Dark Chip did you find useless in EXE 4 and 5? including the dame, glitch, everything, and don't say something about Chaos Uni-son's when you say something please?

Me, i find Dark Recovery useless... Why recover 1000 HP when it drains almost instantly? I alos find Dark sound useless.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... it saved my life once... when I was on super hard...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's only good if you have more than 1000 hp. I would say dark invisible.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:33 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

I forgot what it was called because I havn't played forever but I remember a blade that was weak compared to most dark chips that I find useless. I use dark blade dark cannon. I don't care for dark spreader either.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarkLance: A Lance that can do upwards of 999 damage. Eh.
DarkBomb: 200 damage BigBomb. Boo.
DarkCannon: A Cannon that can do upwards of 999 damage. Eh.
DarkSword: A Dreamsword that can do upwards of 500 damage. Iffy-iffy.
DarkRecovery: Recov1000 with heavy drawback. Bad.
DarkStage: All holes on your side, all DeathMatch3 panels on their side. Could see use.
DarkSpreader: Don't remember damage, but it is in the same area as DarkBomb.

Dun remember anything else in BN4. *waits to examine BN5 DarkChips, as ChaosSoulUnisons don't cost you karma*
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done one playthrough of BN4 using nothing but DarkChips because I thought it might be fun. And surprise surprise, it was. I wouldn't have found it fun at all if I was trying it on any of my first three playthroughs, nor if I only owned one copy of the game. But since I was all done and had my BM copy to use just in case I darkened my RS Megaman beyond repair, I just went wild. In the end I guess I fought 500 battles with Dark Chips because that's how much HP I had lost. Anyway, in that time I've come to have a certain appreciation for certain Dark Chips.

Cannon and Recov - almost always appear together. Obviously it only makes sense to draw Cannon followed by Recov, but sometimes I'll just skip the Cannon altogether because I get more use out of my ChargeShot which the Cannon disables. Although the Recov starts draining away your life, it's not that big a deal since you'll just get another Dark Recov ready to use when your health gets low again. For any battle in the game it's pretty effective at keeping you invincible. (Note that by "any battle in the game" I'm automaically excluding the final battle in which you can't use Dark Chips)

Bomb and Sword - These often appear together as well. Whenever that happens the best thing to do is just skip the Bomb. I've found DarkBomb to be the most useless DarkChip in the game. It's damage is relatively low, it's very inaccurate and slow, and its glitch forces you to the left. If you download the Bomb followed by the Sword, then the Sword's glicth takes effect and you're drawn to the right instead, which is more useful, but then you're forced to throw the Bomb before you can use the Sword, and DarkBomb is something you want to use AFTER something as useful as the Sword to just clean up the extra mess. So it's better off just sitting alone and unused. As for DarkSword, it's considerably more effective, especially against viruses. I'm not usually a fan of swords of any kind, but as a dark user I can't deny it.

Spreader - Believe it or not, I actually found this to be one of the more enjoyable Dark Chips to use. It does 400 damage, which may not sound like much, but keep in mind it's twice as much as DarkBomb, and faster and easier to land a hit. It's basically better than DarkBomb in every way leading me to wonder why the game designers made DarkBomb as crappy as it is. DarkSpread does great damage for an attack as quick as it is. It wipes out most viruses in an instant, even past the third playthrough. It can also take a nice quick chunk out of an SP navi's life when needed.

Lance - Definitely one Dark Chip only meant to be used on navis. Against viruses this chip does poor damage and barely hits. You want this one helping you tke out SP navis faster. A DarkLance followed by a DarkSpread turns out to be a pretty nice move on some of these guys.

DarkStage - My Dark Folder consisted of any Evil Chips I could fit in there, even the ones I didn't like that much. While the poison on the enemy's side doesn't end up making much of a difference, the fully powered WindmanDS chip against a navi in the upper-left corner does.

DarkVulcan - Okay, that's two Dark Chips you want to only use on navis, never viruses. Against Viruses all this chip does is leave you open and vulnerable. For navis without SuperArmour you can at least keep them occupied with hits until the Gauge fills up again. And although the damage isn't that great, you gotta love the sadistic feeling of power in riddling your opponent with 24 bullets while he can't do a thing about it.

Believe it or not, using Dark Chips can ensure you an S-Rank in most every virus and navi battle. With Viruses I just use whichever DarkChips I draw first and with navis I take it a little slower, starting out with a FastGauge and stuff and then maybe using DarkChips when I draw good ones, but otherwise using my actual folder and its Evil Chips. I still wouldn't reccommend it to anyone who wants to take the game seriously, but if you're bored with EXE4 and want to try something new, becoming a DarkChip junkie can be pretty bitchin'.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say what would happen if you max hp was 1 after using all the dark chips? Would you like die if you kept using them?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

railracer express wrote:
Say what would happen if you max hp was 1 after using all the dark chips? Would you like die if you kept using them?


It's over because you would die over the smallest thing, You can't get it back so you might as well say "Damn!!" and start a new game. Use the chips wisely.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I herd rumors in EXE5 that you wont lose hp if you use a dark chip is that ture?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you still lose HP for using Dark Chips normally. You just don't lose HP for Chaos Unisoning, which lets you use Dark Chips as charge shots without affecting colour or HP.

Oh yeah that reminds me, does anyone know what EXE5's Evil mode benefits are besides using Evil Chips? Since Dark Chips now fit in your folder, I woulda figured making Megaman darker woujld let him put more than 3 dark chips in his folder, but I haven't found anything like that so far. Then I thought maybe it would make the DarkChips more likely to appear on your first draw but still not that I can tell. It's looking to me like going Evil is even more pointless in EXE5 than in EXE4.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil mode in 5 is really worthless. You get to use DS chips, and the Dark chips in stuff, but you lose the ability to Chaos Uni-Son, which is really dumb. I would avoid Evil mode in 5, i tried it, and hated it. And you still lose 1 HP for using a Dakr chip in evil mode too.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Capcom getting carried away with the "Going evil will only get you trouble" message?

There is no point including something in a game if it isn't appealling to the gamer to the point where he will actually want to try it. It's a shame too, because the concept of going Dark, if handled correctly, had so much potential.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In EXE4 they made it so Dark Chips were actually tempting. They'd show up in your weakest moments and taunt you with their power. In EXE5 you have to go through too much trouble just to see a Dark Chip that using it is no longer an indication of weak willpower, it's an indication of utter stupidity. If I didn't know any better I'd say the Game Designers made EXE5's Dark Chips ONLY to be used for Chaos Unisoning. The Chaoses combine the power of DarkChips with the effects of Souls, two things which were incompatible in EXE4, and with virtually no drawbacks to boot. The Chaos Unisons seem to warrant the inconvenient Dark Chip folder restrictions much more. Still, you gotta wonder why the option to use Dark Chips normally is even still there. Since there aren't any Dark Holes in EXE5 I wonder if the darker you are, the stronger your NaviDS chips will be?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps theres no penalty for chaos unisons because the devellopers thought it would be unfair to mix the loss of hp with the accidental summoning of Rockman's dark soul. Maybe the risk of the dark soul is enough of a penalty. I mean, I've the heard the Darksoul is nother less than a burden on the player, if not more, when summoned.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blazequest wrote:
Perhaps theres no penalty for chaos unisons because the devellopers thought it would be unfair to mix the loss of hp with the accidental summoning of Rockman's dark soul. Maybe the risk of the dark soul is enough of a penalty. I mean, I've the heard the Darksoul is nother less than a burden on the player, if not more, when summoned.


oh, god. I hate rockman DS... well, i can time it for the first 5 times, then i mess up around 6-9.... it gets hard to time...

But i do avoid Dark chips... i was thinking that a Chaos-Unisons charged shot was goign to be something different from a dark chip, like Chaos Gyro soul would have his Tornado arm, except it would be a purplish color, doing 100 dmagae per hit... nad Dark magnetsoul would be something like Gravity Ball.... but they tried to make Dark chip less useful now... i like EXE 4 less, besides the dark Soul system.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raijin wrote:
Believe it or not, using Dark Chips can ensure you an S-Rank in most every virus and navi battle. With Viruses I just use whichever DarkChips I draw first and with navis I take it a little slower, starting out with a FastGauge and stuff and then maybe using DarkChips when I draw good ones, but otherwise using my actual folder and its Evil Chips. I still wouldn't reccommend it to anyone who wants to take the game seriously, but if you're bored with EXE4 and want to try something new, becoming a DarkChip junkie can be pretty bitchin'.


Interesting. I might actually do this, but only because after playing the Japanese ROM, finishing it, and hating it, I masochistically bought the cart upon the US release. I got kinda far through my first playthrough, but it was just the same garbage over again (kind of like the entire game itself Razz). I didn't feel like working my way through to [spoil:c5ba662f4b]Black Earth[/spoil:c5ba662f4b] a second time, so I just abandoned it. I might take up your suggestion, though. While I'm a perfectionist, I really have no desire to play the game anymore, so this might be fun. The only problem is that if I restart I'll be completely at a loss for other dark chips to toss in the folder. I may just pick up from where I left off. Who knows? Either way, the info you posted should come in handy. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, keep in mind that although most of the game is easy enough for Dark Users, the final boss is not. Since I've DarkChipped away that 500 HP off my RS Megaman, beating FinalBossSP has been nearly impossible. The inability to use GunDelSols has made it a little harder too. I can still whollop FinalBossSP with no problem with my light BM Megaman.

I came close a few times with DarkMM, and I think a well-timed Muramasa could win it for me. At any rate, fighting that guy with darkness is much more of a challenge.

Of course, that just might appeal to you more.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, EXE5 should have taken the Dark Chip/Evil Mode stuff and make an actual alternate storyline for it.

Imagine, choose to stay in the light, and save the world and universe from destruction. Or...

Be swallowed by Darkness, and aid the Dark Loids in causing the annilation of the human race!

That is something Capcom should have thought about.... and something they should do IF they made a EXE6, and use the Dark stuff again.

OR, they can put parts where you choose a path that goes to different story-points and some cause Netto to become part of the Dark Loids, or something like that...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaitoRockman wrote:
Yeah, EXE5 should have taken the Dark Chip/Evil Mode stuff and make an actual alternate storyline for it.

Imagine, choose to stay in the light, and save the world and universe from destruction. Or...

Be swallowed by Darkness, and aid the Dark Loids in causing the annilation of the human race!

That is something Capcom should have thought about.... and something they should do IF they made a EXE6, and use the Dark stuff again.

OR, they can put parts where you choose a path that goes to different story-points and some cause Netto to become part of the Dark Loids, or something like that...


yea, they could make 2 different versions, liek for example:
Rockman.EXE 6 Team Of Forte: You destroy all the navi's with the aid of Dark Chips
or
Rockman.EXE 6 Team of Serenade: You stop all the dark navi's with the aid of Light Chips!

could possibly be a good idea, but Rockman.EXE DS is supposed to be EXE 6... so don't get your hopes up too high....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh if Netto destory humanity, wouldn't that kinda end the series?

Oh your thoughts almost reminded me another game called kingdom hearts
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