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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Zany coincidence or just zany? Reply with quote

There is a serious lack of decent discussion here. I intend to change that with something weird. Enjoy!

Anywho, on another forum, someone asked for a more-detailed explaination on the Quick-saves-Rock scene from SuperAdventure Rockman, so I quoted Iriasu's interperatation. Then, that night I was chatting with Fireman and I had asked him who did some of the voices for SuperAdventure Rockman. Anywho, I found this interesting:

Quickman was voiced by Morikubo Showtaro, who also played X.
Shadowman was voiced by Okiayu Ryoutarou, who also played Zero.

Hrmmmm...

Anywho, that made me think to a long while back when I had cooked up this utterly-bizarre Shadowman theory that eventually merged with my ever-so-strange Classic-to-X theory. In that Shadowman theory, I had written that he (Shadow) was eventually refitted (or at least his brain was) into Zero. Yes, I know, I have way too much time on my hands to be thinking up this wacky crap. Anywho (yeah, I use that word alot), here's the more important portion of that convoluted mess:

Quickman's convoluted theory wrote:
[...] After the whole mess with Duo, Wily goes back to expiramenting with Shadowman's materials and the Evil Energy. Seeing how the Evil Energy affects some of his machines, Wily decides to toy with it and eventually creates a mutated virus form of it. Using his own creations as his test subjects, Wily watches in delight as the virus turns them into mindless killing machines.

Perfect.

This throws Wily's greatest plan into action. At this point, all those defeats sunk in and Wily realized that his robots alone can't triumph. But, if he were to somehow corrupt Megaman so that he'll turn on Dr. Light...

Again, Wily's attention is drawn to the mysterious Shadowman. Opening him up, Wily sets to work, rebuilding his robot and implanting the virus into Shadowman's brain. Being that he is low on materials, Wily looks to his other robots. Taking them apart, he uses whatever parts and supplies he needs and remodels Shadowman again, this time into an armoured, fighting machine.

Wily knows that Megaman will stop this new robot, but that's exactly what he wants. Upon the robot's defeat, Megaman will assimilate the Master weapon and Wily's ultimate trap will spring as Megaman inadvertantly infects himself with the mutated virus. The virus will then cause Megaman to turn on Dr. Light and defeat him once and for all without Wily even lifting a finger.

It will take careful planning and careful construction to contain the virus within its carrier, so Wily works diligently. He will not rush this project as this will be his definet coup de grace against Megaman. Dubbing his new refitted alien android "Zero," Wily is pleased as this will be his greatest and most deadly creation ever.


Quite a mess, huh? Anywho, a lil while ago, I was reading Gauntlet's Guides when I stumbled across this gem:

Fireman, in another debate a few years back wrote:
[...] Personality-wise, Rock has the more boyish personality with some doubts where as X takes on more of the role of a confident leader. They do have a lot of differences in many ways, which is undeniable, yet I can see what you're getting at on the similarities that pop up. But then, Quickman is probably more like X than most other classic series characters and I don't think many people think Quickman is X.


What. The. Crap.

Now at first I thought perhaps Fire was kidding around or something, so I read on...

More of Fireman's thoughts wrote:
[...] Well X is boastful in his speech, but not really egotistical. And most children of any person do have some sense of loyalty to their fathers. Just as if Dr. Right made poor judgement, Rock would likely just go with what Right said at first anyway. Quickman shares quite a few traits with X personality wise, and I'd say more than Rock does even. But that is a bit irrelevant to the exact argument, yes.

[...] Of course he's the same Quickman, just with a different voice actor and having been rebuilt. Quickman never betrayed Wily in SAR. In fact, he beat the crap out of Rock even while Rock tried to reason with him. But Rock eventually got through to him that Wily was being manipulated too, and not only would the world be in chaos, but Wily would also in the end be killed, as well as all his Robots (except maybe that alien scum Shadowman). You are taking it a bit out of context in that sense. Besides, we have seen that the Robots contain their memories despite which side they are on at the time. And as I said, Quickman never sided with Rockman, but he knew without Rockman, Wily and everyone else would die. But, it is true that a Robot's memory can be suppressed greatly, so he could have been unable to easily access that memory at another time.

[...] Quickman has shown some character depth in other games as well. Rockman The Power Battle, and Rockman 2 The Power Fighters included a few lines of speech, though not much depth, but then Rockman Battle & Chase included more speech, more interest, and more personality, and Rockman & Forte's profile of Quickman also gave us a bit of character depth insight. There are also the Capcom profiles in the books and such which somewhat divulge into his egotistical characteristics and some of his other qualities.


Uh... okay. So Fireman wasn't being silly as I had origonally thought and it wasn't my lack of caffeine that morning either. Wow, and I thought my theories were out there??

Anywho, last night I asked about the voice actors, then found that Shadowman was voiced by Zero's voice actor as well, and it all kinda fell into place. Now I'm very, very, very tempted to rewrite my Classic-to-X theory and change who I origonally thought would be X (Quint)... but that'd just be for a gag and I really dunno how to tackle that one.

But, yeah... that would hafta be the most interesting theory I've heard yet. Thoughts?

Fireman's thoughts quoted from Gauntlet's Guide to Megaman X X2: The Forum Wars!

Quickman's theory quoted from This mess.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I could make two more quotes from that same article, though...

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I'm not really saying that Quickman is exactly like X, but he was once voiced by Showtaro Morikubo, and he too uses his "ore" all the time, even if he tends to still be far more egotistical than most others who may use it. Quickman was violent at first because he really does things through before thinking them out. Plus if your enemy came to you and was trying to convince you of something that could be a lie, what would you do? It was the opportune moment for Quickman to attack. But when he realized what was for the good of everyone in the end, he gave his life. So the likely hood of Quick being X is near-nonexistant simply because it's not something that we'd likely see Capcom do, but to me it seems almost as sensible as believing Rock is X.

[...]

What about Duo? He has a sense of justice, maybe stronger than Rockman's even. Blues has quite a strong sense of justice, even if he is only doing whatever he wants, and Blues talks more like X anyway. Then we have all the other DRN, who all (except maybe that self-concerned Iceman) have a strong sense of justice and will help Rockman through rough times (except when they've been reprogrammed). Any one of them could just about as well be X in that same sense.


I don't really think he was proposing that QuickMan was X. The way that I read it, he was just saying that, to himself, believing the original Rock to be X was like trying to say that QuickMan was X. But, it could go either way on that one.

Frankly, I don't give a hoot whether Rock was turned into X, QuickMan was turned into X, ShadowMan was turned into Lifesaver, or if X is someone entirely different. They're just games, and since Capcom has never come outright and said who X is, I've found all speculation to be kind of useless.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine then. Nevermind. Forget it. Last time I try to be funny and possibly spark some discussion.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay Quick, calm down.

You do realize that when you post theories of this nature on a message board, you will get responses you don't like. Storming off after one reply does not speak really well about how you handle these situations.

All Web was doing was pointing out something he intrepeted and explained. But if you just say 'to hell with it' and stomp off, then what?

Look, calm down and think it over some more. You will get people disagreeing with you, and you have to accept that.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't it just make more sense that X and Zero are compleatly different characters? Plus, don't robots break down after awhile? That and a huge war could explain some of the X series.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh...Hmm, Quite an interesting theory there.

...Although, if I recall correctly, Super Adventure Rockman wasn't canonical.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a problem with your theory, after all, didn't we learn in Rockman and Forte that Coldman was made from parts of Frostman or something like that? I just don't see it happening. 'Cause all the 1-6 robot masters were locked up in the robot museum with extra security after Gutsy was stolen!! :] There are some interesting coincidences, but it's probably as far off as my first impression from X5 that Dynamo was Blues, who had somehow survived on his own and reworked his body to secretly keep an eye on X, knowing about Wily's plan for Zero...but yeah, the official info from Capcom, and the game, didn't exactly lean that way. I'd rather just stick to the idea that both X and Zero were completely original creations because their design would be too advanced for either of the doctor's to reuse any of their former creations. Unless we hear some official information otherwise.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fairly certain that Keiji Inafune himself stated that Rockman and X are two entirely separate and unique robots.

And if Zero was meant to be an upgrade to a previous Robot Master, then I suspect we would have seen a bit more evidence to suggest it right in the games.

As far as the "Evil Energy" from Rockman 8 being the basis of a "maverick" virus created by Wily, that is one theory I subscribe to.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I was really pointing out was the voice actors, and then me and Fire's seperate chunks of theories and how that seemed kinda ironic or whatever. But forget it. I thought mebbe people would think it was funny. Apparently not. I never said anything about accepting any stupid thing in that retarded post as fact, I just thought that perhaps someone might've found it to be at least somewhat humourous in an ironic way.

According to Fire, SAR is canonical. Hell, I can double- even triple-check on that.

But that's totally beside the point and the whole "zany" portion of this topic has been lost. And if someone doesn't give a flying crap, then why did they even bother to add your two cents?

I expected people to never agree with whatever pointless and stupid garbage that I bother to put up, as that's the nature of any forum I go to. What pisses me off is when people make a big stink about how much they don't give a damn just for the sole purpose of making the person who brought up the whole idea look like a total moron.

At least that's what it seemed like to me, but my thoughts are just stupid as is the whole stupid topic and whatever stupid idea happens to come outta my stupid mouth. Then again, I should've known better than to try to inject some life into a sub-forum that's usually overlooked as it usually has nothing to do with the EXE series that I could care less about.

But, who gives a rat's ass to whatever circular reasoning I can pathetically try to come up with on why I've been so goddamn pissy today? In fact, lemme just tell you right now why I'm so frikkin' stressed out and taking every single goddamn thing personally:

Someone that I love and cherish with all my heart is in a coma and I'm scared that he's gonna die. I'm worried as all hell about him as I don't wanna lose him, not now, not ever. After all he's worked so hard and fought so valiantly to build... it had better NOT end like this! I mean, to take someone who's worked and fought, and struggled their whole life in some losing battle, but proved to be one of the most kind, loving, and wonderful people on earth... To take someone like him and then just yank him away?! Good god, can't he ever get a decent hand for once?!!? It's not fair! NOT FAIR!

It's not fair and it's wrong.

But, I believe in him, and I know he'll pull through. He's triumphed before and he'll triumph again.

So there you go, the reason for that outburst and the outburst about the Edit button. Happy?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please do not use REO as an outlet for your stress. That is not fair to the members here. We are not your punching bag.

Consider this an official warning.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick....seriously, we understand that you're under stress, and I'm sure people would be happy to talk one-on-one with you if that's what you need...but this forum is not LiveJournal and your outbursts just seem to come out of nowhere. And no, that's not saying that you should never post personal things like talking about your issues with your friend, I mean batshit emo ranting like "At least that's what it seemed like to me, but my thoughts are just stupid as is the whole stupid topic and whatever stupid idea happens to come outta my stupid mouth. Then again, I should've known better..." That's not necessary and it really seems - to me, at least, and I'm sure to others - that you blew Web's reply way the hell out of proportion and treated him like he should have kept his opinion to himself. If you actually want people to reply to your posts you can't attack them, even if they appear to have misinterpreted you.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick, while it's understandable you're under a lot of stress. It's not understandable, nor acceptable to come here and take your anger and stress out on whoever happens to say the wrong thing to you. That's as justifiable as saying it's right for a mother to yell at their children just because she's had a bad day.

In the internet there's little ways to know when are you joking, we've had this problem several times in several places in several ways. Your body language, your tone, all the things that help to convey wether or not you're joking are lost. You have to make it up in other ways, sometimes through explaining that you are, in fact, joking.

You said, and I quote:
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There is a serious lack of decent discussion here.


This gives away no indication that you were joking or trying to make a funny topic. It does, however, hint that you'r
e opening up a topic for a discussion, hence, something serious that can and should be debated.

It's undertstandable you're under serious stress, I am sure many people here are under as much stress as you are, and I'm very sorry for your situation, but when things aren't going good, you make sure you avoid things that'll spark a reaction from you.

This isn't My Space, LJ or a DA journal where you can openly and freely rant about your problems. It's a place to have fun and take things, one should hope, lightly and in good fun.

Webbuilder simply said he doesn't really care for theories about who is X. Your post did not much to explain it was just a random coincidence you wanted to share. It came across more like a theory and like you were arguing Fireman's arguments, rather than just point out funny coincidences.

If you aren't feeling up to dealing with the different personalities, responsesand views of people, or feel everything's a personal attack to you, please step back for a while and clear your mind up before lashing something out. It's not fair for our forum members, and it's not fair for yourself, as you make up to be a person people won't know how to treat anymore.

I'm sorry things aren't going good for you, but our forum members shouldn't have to be the ones paying the price of whatever happens to you or your loved ones, it's not right, and it's not something you'd want other people do to you. Please, stay calm, look out for help of dear friends if you need it, talk to people you feel comfortable with talking about your problems, but do not take them out in other people.
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