What if P.E.T.'s actually were real?

NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:52 am Post subject:

now that's what im talking about erkie! now, about the 'Net being in 3D...what sites would you want to see and what do you think they woould look like? online clothing sites would be nice...your Navi could try on virtual clothes for you! ebay would have a lot of Navis yelling out, "i bid $10!" and whatnot. seeing 'Nets all over the world would be awesome because they would be decorated in different styles.
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JH24 · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject:

WARNING: Depressing post ahead!
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cccd-erckie and NetOperator Wibby, I agree with you both about the police and law enforcement improving their methods to battle the criminals and villains. Criminals and villains have always been present in our societys no matter in which time period they lived. The way how the police fought against them changed with the arrival of new technologies and ideas. You two have entirely convinced me on this matter, there is just one thing I still worry about though. The world of Rockman-exe is a complicated one with a massive cyberworld and network. The problem I have with it is the fact that the human world has become so dependable on it.

I mean that villains and criminals could have a much larger effect on society with their actions then ever before. Because it seems practically everything is connected to the net many damage could be inflicted if an attack or action couldn't be prevented. I often see in Rockman-exe how security systems are bypassed by navis or others with evil intents. If in our world a new virus is released than many computers will be effected but it will not bring a society to a halt. However if for example a powerful virus is released in the cyberworld and the net and it manages to infest itself into the primary systems or programs that control vital parts of a day-to-day society many people will be affected. You can eventually remove a virus but the damage is already done. What I mean to say is how larger the part of the human world is connected with the net how more vulnerable it will become and how larger and more devastating the consequences would be.

It is just, I truly believe humans should always control the most important aspects of our world themselves, we always managed to do that, we don't need an advanced or sentient computer in order to make our life better. Because, why would an advanced sentient AI choose to serve us? I know it sounds cliche, but I see no reason for it, the AI could pretend to obey and work for us but in the meantime plans his own path to domination. We can program it, but I am sure eventually the AI will find a way to circumvent it and expand itself. The idea scares me and partly this is also the reason I look at netnavis with mixed feelings. In the end, no matter how many emotions and feelings they have, they are still programs. They are not lifeforms, not humans. They act this way because we wanted them to behave like that. They maybe act like humans, but they are not, in the end this would make them unpredictable. A flaw in their programming could turn a friendly navi into a monster causing destruction or even worse before someone can stop him/her. I just feel there is always a certain risk present we always should be aware of. Because we humans are so connected to the net, netnavis have the potential to cause much harm (injury, fear or even death) to us. I am going too far in saying this and I am really sorry. But I just writing down what I honestly believe.

I would love to have my own netnavi and if they existed I really would have one. I am probably paranoid but I see a lot of risks to this though. Only assuming that human society has become more and more dependable on electronics and computers. If this is not the case then I don't see too many problems with it yet. Only, a netnavi is a program, able to think, freely communicate, has free will, etc. But it doesn't follow the logic of a human. We humans like to think we have everything under control, but netnavis will evolve and more advanced models become available, more intelligent, more emotions, more power, more of everything. They could slowly evolve themselves beyond our control. We can prepare ourselves for a 1000 different scenarios that could go wrong, but an very advanced navi or AI could have come up with 1000 other ways to outsmart us.

Oh boy, I better stop now, I am typing myself into a depression. ><

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NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:50 am Post subject:

mi · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:31 am Post subject:

Wow, this has gotten pretty deep, but I like that!! ^_^

The main problem is the people who would want to commit these crimes. There would, of course, be your hackers, who just do it for fun or to show they can... typically they're pretty harmless. However, the ones who hack with an intent on stealing personal information, files, bank details, or wandt to cause harm to the system would naturally pose a greater threat.

We already have these type of people, and alot of what we do today is already done by computers. To say that humans don't rely on technology is a lie, we pretty much are already dependant on it. I can totally understand where your fears come from on this issue though... It is very scary to think of sentient programs destroying what could be your livelyhood.

But I think the good in peoples hearts can outweigh the negatives and if a program is able to have "freedom of will", then I believe it's possible for them to have the ability to decide for themselves what is right and wrong. If they make the wrong choice, then too bad for them, they'll have to do the time just like anyone else would.

It's my belief that there will always be someone who is willing to stand up for what is right, and, if anything, the Rockman.exe series displays that even normal people can contribute in saving the world, whether it be from Crazed Net Mafias, or saving kids from Calcium deficiencies!!
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JH24 · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:38 am Post subject:

It was never my intention to say that we are now not dependable on technology because we are. However, it can't be compared to everything in EXE. We are in control of the technology in this era, for the most part that is. I admit it, I am afraid for a future like EXE, yet I am also intrigued by it. What brought the people in EXE so far to allow technology so much control over the humans?

Also, I don't have anything against netnavis, they would be a great addition to our societys as long as they are closely monitored. The main function of netnavis should be providing assistance and company to humans. (Maybe the sentence before this one has a mean or egoistic tone to it, this is not my intention) I think if this would ever happen it would be great, everyone who has their own real friend and a close bond to their navi. Everyone should get a netnavi for free when they reach a certain age, something the government could provide and finance. I do believe society would benefit greatly from this. I mentioned in my previous post that we humans should maintain all control on the most important matters in our society, this way banning netnavis to work on higher or very important positions. (For example satellite control, city or netsecurity, etc.) Yet this raises a question, because netnavis have free will, emotions, high intelligence they could start to wonder why they are not allowed to do this, this sounds weird but they could think netnavis are not equeal to humans and tensions or unrest could start to appear among them. After all, they are programmed with human characteristics so they could behave themselves in such ways when they feel like that.

Netnavis are programs but when you have a close bond with one I could very well see one as a living being. Despite my fears, I would love to have a netnavi and he/she would be my friend for life. I am currently making up my own navi, I hope to post him in that topic in this section soon.

I could write a lot more, but I feel if I do I would start repeating myself and I just don't have that much time in this point of my life. Maybe I am exaggerating and overreacting but I am just uncomfortable with the idea creating programs who are more intelligent then us and have free will. You could exclude them (navis/computers) from certain parts of human society but I am sure they would start questioning these restrictions.

In short, we humans have enough problems to deal with already, if we think we find a solution in the creation of a sentient, free willed AI or supercomputer I think we are mistaken. We could create another major problem for our race, maybe more then we can handle.

The creation of a more advanced net and netnaivis could provide great benefits for our race everywhere on the world and I admit that. Yet, for each step we take we must prepare ourselves and look into a mirror and asking the question: Are we ready for this? Can we handle this? Because when we reach the treshold, there is no turning back.

I realize I am pretty harsh voicing my opinion and maybe I even sounded arrogant or unfriendly. I am really, really sorry if this is the case, it was really not my intention to sound like that. I also realize that most of my arguments are not very strong, as my objections come more from fear of the unknown then from rational thoughts I think.
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NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject:

Fortex · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:45 am Post subject:

If PETs are real? I think ;
1. I would Net-battling with my Navi on my spare time
2. I will customize my Navi well
3. I will challenge some of my friends on Net-Battling
4. I'll delete some viruses in my computer when they attack me when i play internet
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marihikari · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:53 am Post subject:

bunnyfan101 · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 6

Hi, I'm new so is anyoine on? :] :]
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marihikari · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:09 am Post subject:

bunnyfan101 · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 6

If I had one I would hack into other peoples computers! Evil or Very Mad

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marihikari · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:16 am Post subject:

bunnyfan101 · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 6

Of course I would! Standard navis stink :eyes: -_-; unless you're Chaud.
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marihikari · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:29 am Post subject:

bunnyfan101 · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 6

You're right, standards are only good for security and execution. :!
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marihikari · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:46 am Post subject:

Unknown Neo · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject:

You know that if you tryed to hack into my computer I would have to almost delete your navi with my navi. I don't like anyone messing with my computer. (No offense though)
Now if you wanted to come to my computer to netbattle, that would be ok.
And probally fun too.

Tachyon360 · Le Croissant Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 740

Oh boy. I'd have absolutely no Navi, and everything would remain relatively secure.

You're all forgetting about one convenient security feature: mandatory access control. If a sword or cannon can undo security features, my computer would be like Neo in the chateau scene in the Matrix Reloaded, freezing all shots flying at it in mid-air.

Next, dropping all unsolicited packets to my PC and encrypting all solicited packets (both incoming and outgoing) would stop most attackers from even reaching my PC. To put it in visual terms, it would be like an endless hallway for the attacking Navi.

Granted, no system can be perfectly secure, and a skilled hacker could no doubt find some sort of exploit, but the mischevious kid with a Navi that lacks ethics code would be stopped cold.

NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject:

i like your endless hallway idea tachyon! reminds of super mario 64 (for ds. i don't know if it's changed from the original but i doubt it) when you try to run up the stairs to Bowser before getting enough stars.
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