Ryuusei no Rockman Episode 8 (SPOILERS ON FIAAAAHHHH!!!)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:01 am    Post subject: Ryuusei no Rockman Episode 8 (SPOILERS ON FIAAAAHHHH!!!) Reply with quote

Okay, so apparently....I guess War Rock gets a bit claustrophobic? Because it seems like he wants to go surf the net...err.....ride the road.

So yah. He's yappin' all day, Subaru gets mad, and ties up the transer. Haha, poor War Rock.

STILL YAPPING THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT! DD:

So Subaru goes to school (finally) with bags under his eyes. Damn War Rock! Don't you know people need sleep?! XD

Then War Rock finally hops out of the Transer during Subaru's class and luckily NO ONE Sees him! Crazy I know!

Then Luna and Subaru are looking at planets or something...and then we cut to more interesting things, It's OX! THE GUY I DON"T KNOW THE FULL NAME OF! War Rock and him start fighting, blah blah.

Then Subaru sees this with his magical visualizer and ohnos! Rock is losing!

Then some stuff that I didn't quite catch, then Ox gets rammed through a wall and then enters Gonta! DUH DUH DUHHHHh

"Denpa Hekon! OX FIRE!" YAY FINALLY! FANBOYNESS! YEA YEA! (and badass bad guy theme music)

So yah.

How will Subaru handle this situation? He can't just hekon right in front of Luna and Kizo!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was the funniest episodes I've seen so far. Laughing

ARGH CLIFFHANGER. So Gonta Ox-Fire got his own henshin? Shouldn't that mean they will reuse him most likely later on?

... and Subaru will transform under Luna's eyes... well.... not really but he will suddenly disappear.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luna's shoes rocks XDDDD


A funny episode, It gives a very humoristic touch to WarRock (I loved the passage when Subaru yelled at him because he couldn't sleep XD)

As I don't understand 98% of the words, I thought WarRock was helping Subaru cheating in class at first Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it seems Luna has a crush on Subaru. Oh my, what a shock it'll be when she finds out that the two guys she has a crush on are in fact the same guy.

This has got to be the steepest cliffhanger this series has seen yet. And it's only episode 8. Subaru's life is genuinely in danger as it's he that Gonta is pissed off at, WarRock has a pretty nasty knockdown to get up from and some rather juvenile hubris to get over, and Luna's world is about to get rocked (no pun intended). Seems they got the formula down pretty well.

Shakai wrote:
Then War Rock finally hops out of the Transer during Subaru's class and luckily NO ONE Sees him! Crazy I know!
Only Subaru, FMs, viruses, and presumably people that can see their own FMs can see WarRock. It would be wierd if people saw WarRock jumping out, but him being invisible is perfectly expected.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WarRock didn't get claustrophobic. He got BORED. That is what we call Cabin Fever. Laughing
So he finally let himself out, which was, in the end, a Bad Thing, because it allowed Ox to find him. And now Ox has a new host with a bone to pick with Subaru. Bad. Now Subaru is caught between his newest enemy and Luna. Bad. Because now he can't use Denpa Henkan with a clear conscience because he WILL be found out and he will NEVER hear the end of it.
All because our hyper little FM got BORED.

Oh, yeah, and Gonta's last name I think is Ujishima or something like that. Correct me please if I'm wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watching that last scene again, it seems to me like Luna didn't understand how Subaru could know Gonta was possesed, and then suddently realized the answer. I'm willing to bet that she at least has the idea that perhaps Subaru is Rockman.

I'd also like to add that I really like Luna's apparent lack of emotional control. She's easily one of the most colorful characters in the series thus far, and it makes the scenes where she's unexpectedly shoved aside that much funnier.



Addendum: Doesn't the music in the planetarium scene resemble the background music in Capcom's site for the game? It's kinda subtle, but the same theme is clearly present. Excellent.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I needed that dose of humor to start my day. But I missed something; why did Subaru go back to school?

Heh, and I wonder how his transer constantly shaking and making noises in class didn't attract attention. You'd think that a talking transer with a rumble feature and a flapping top would be hard miss.

Also makes me think that this flapping transer top, along with WarRock's talking head when fused, are just artistic representations that WarRock is talking. Probably to go along with a "younger" audience thing like that I've heard of with the manga.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Subaru went back to school with the idea that WarRock really didn't want to be found out, and that in theory, going to a place full of people would get him to shut up so he wouldn't be found out.
We saw how well that worked. Laughing
And while this show is aimed at an even younger audience than EXE, I still think this is a pretty awesome show. Complete with funnies! :]
Oh! And did anyone notice how thin Subaru's Transer looked when it was sitting on his desk? (At home, just when all the insanity started.)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to me like the Ryusei anime is aimed primarily at the same age group as the EXE anime. The manga is perhaps a different story.

IMO, what sets it apart is that unlike most of the various EXE series, Ryusei is perfectly capable of weaving light-hearted humor in with some moderately heavy concepts seamlessly, while maintaining a progressive, coherent storyline.

Granted, it's got less violence than Axess, which might make it seem set for a younger age group, but violence isn't needed when you have solid and interesting story-writing.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay! Finally caught up, AND I made the first page.

So, straight to it. Episode 8.

First off, I REALLY wish I knew Japanese, just so I could know what WarRock was getting all huffy about. Whatever it was, it cost poor Subaru a good chunk of sleep, and finally made him break down and go to school.

Luna shows up the next morning, and she's all like, "DAMMIT, HOSHIKAWA, YOU'RE GOING TO SCHOOL TODAY, EVEN IF I HAVE TO DRAG YOU OFF BY YOUR....oh, wait, you're going?! Never mind."

Then when they get there, Luna's all like, "I'm SOOOOO glad you finally decided to come to school!" And Subaru's all like "Uh-huh, yeah, whatever, just lemme sleep."

BTW, that homeroom teacher's really pretty. She's no Mariko-sensei, but then, who is? The glasses are a really cute touch.

Does ANYONE have any idea what WarRock was getting all huffy about during class? Whatever it was, he finally decided to get outta the Transer and go for a walk. (or a fly, or a float, or whatever it is FM Aliens do in the Wave Road.) I guess the relationship between an FM Alien and his Transer is way different than a NetNavi and his PET.

Then Luna invites Subaru to see the school's holo-planetarium, and there's a couple of sweet moments between them. One cool thing I noticed is that Transers, unlike PETs, can be used to remotely operate just about ANY electronic device. Oh, and Gonta gets all jealous.

Then, while WarRock's out for his walk (or float, or whatever), he gets spotted by the Zenigata-dude. (does he even HAVE a real name?) WarRock's all like "Cheese it, the coppers!" and flies off.

And then Ox shows up. It was interesting to see FM Aliens fighting in their normal forms. And it was VERY interesting to see that FM Aliens could touch solid objects, even though they're supposedly invisible. (I.E. Ox getting smashed through that wall.)

And at that moment Ox spots Gonta. And unlike Utagai, Ox FORCES Gonta into a Denpa Henkan. (which leaves me to wonder why he got a henshin sequence)

The best part of this is that given the situation, there's a good chance that Subaru may have to transform WITH Luna watching. I'm DYING to see her reaction.

Seems to me that despite the time limit (or maybe even BECAUSE of it) the Ryuusei anime is getting better and better by the week. If the game can follow suit, Ryuusei may just prove to be a more than worthy successor to the EXE legacy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing poor WarRock was just bored. I would be too if I got crammed up in a Transer like that ALL DAY LONG. Call it Cabin Fever.

I don't know if the teacher is pretty. To me, she looks like she belongs in the History museum with the rest of the Pilgrims. That bonnet...yeesh...and that poofy dress...? The glasses make her look even older... I like Mariko-sensei better...
Does this sensei even have a name?

And thus we now have an answer to the ponderous question, "what are FMs in relation to the Human world? Are they simply invisible, or do they exist on a different plane?" They are simply invisible beings.
In retrospect, I think that's obvious. The Denpa Viruses (being made of the same stuff as FMs) interact freely with man-made buildings and railways (eps. 3-5) and, as we just saw, FMs can also interact with buildings and such. :/
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to further expand on that whole "HTF do viruses and FMs interact with the world?" question.

Look at how far data materialization technology has progressed since EXE. Before, there were just dimensional areas in which data could take on a substantial form. Now, matter can be freely converted into data, sent wirelessly, and converted back, as evidenced by that food device in episode 1 and by a Radio-Human's ability to phase-shift.

In order for such a potent technology to become viable commercially, it must first become unobtrusive and convenient. If we were to assume this new form of dimensional technology is totally ubiquitous, it would make sense for it to be invisible, and only partially substantial. Is there something in the anime that fits these criteria? Yes, indeed! The radio wave roads.

Clearly, the term "radio" is used very, very loosely in Ryusei no Rockman, only to suggest that the prevailing technology is more or less intangible, but not necessarily imply that it actually involves radio. The radio wave roads provide a method of wireless data and power transmission, not unlike radio devices of today, but also have certain characteristics of dimensional areas from the EXE anime, allowing for small amounts of matter to be converted to data and transmitted, and for material data to interact with ordinary matter.

This neatly explains why radio-viruses can blow stuff up and why WarRock and Ox caused such a mess at the school.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(does he even HAVE a real name?)


The keibu's name is Goyoda Heiji. His name was revealed on the official anime website. Yes, his given name is the same as Zenigata Heiji.

And an FM Seijin or Denpa Virus cannot actually touch the physical world. Instead they must affect the radio wave space (denpa kuukan) around the area. Only by merging with a human who share their frequency. (one of the powers of the FM Seijin) It is the same as how navis and viruses could only affect the human world by interfering with cyber networks. Why does it seem like the FM Seijin and Denpa viruses may affect the human world directly? Because the Denpa Sekai floats/overlays the human world. When Rock and Ox were fighting with each other, they were affecting the space around them, and that causes the disturbances in the real world.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While that's probably true, it looked very much to me like WarRock actually crashed into the basketball hoops, causing them to break, and it also looked like Ox crashed into the school building, and broke down the wall. :/
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmmm, that's interesting. I only just noticed that (didn't really pay much attention to the fight. My interest in each episode is the dialogue so I can draw what the game storyline may possibly be about.)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrkXFuZion wrote:
Why does it seem like the FM Seijin and Denpa viruses may affect the human world directly? Because the Denpa Sekai floats/overlays the human world. When Rock and Ox were fighting with each other, they were affecting the space around them, and that causes the disturbances in the real world.
Isn't that essentially how Navis and viruses in a dimensional area can affect the real world? The dimensional area provides a virtual space that directly corresponds to material space in which Navis can manifest themselves and interact with the real world as they would with the cyberworld, does it not?

Assuming that to be true, what I said is more or less what you said. (Yeah, so I was mistaken by saying radio wave roads instead of radio wave space, but the gist of it remains the same).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But don't DAs actually allow the navi or virus to physically manifest themselves in the real world? So that any attack they use will damage something? Ex: Cannon chip is fired, and its target explodes because it got hit with an actual plasma blast.

Geez this is confusing...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not as confusing as everyone's making it to be.
The Dimensional Area created a cyber space in the real world, allowing a Navi to materialize in the real world, all its powers intact. Just as Comic X6 said, if a Navi used a cannon in a DA, it would be an actual plasma blast destroying that lampost over there.
So it is with FMs. They exist on the same plane as Humans and are thus able to interact with (or destroy) things on the Human plane. :/
Really, its not that difficult.
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So it is with FMs. They exist on the same plane as Humans and are thus able to interact with (or destroy) things on the Human plane.


Though it doesn't seem like things should be that way. After all, why would a FM Seijin need to perform Denpa Henkan in the first place if they can already touch the human world? The only advantage they neccessarily gain is the use of Predation.

Though this episode does seem to suggest that Denpa Ningen may travel in both the real world and the Denpa Kuukan.

I think the anime simply screwed up.

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Isn't that essentially how Navis and viruses in a dimensional area can affect the real world? The dimensional area provides a virtual space that directly corresponds to material space in which Navis can manifest themselves and interact with the real world as they would with the cyberworld, does it not?


In a Dimensional Area, a navi can directly affect the environment. FM Seijin are supposed to only be able to touch the wave space, and that causes changes in the real world. (ie an FM Seijin shouldn't be able to touch something like a microwave, but by attacking the wave roads around it, it can cause the microwave to blow up.) Thus, the two should be different. The DA doesn't contain a virtual space; the navis appear directly in the human world.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, does anyone think Subaru will transform in front of Luna and the little geeky kid (I can't remember his name), or will he pull a Clark Kent and transform after running away?
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