A Step Closer to Real Navis

Mageman · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 36

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72154-0.html?tw=wn_index_3

All I can say is "I want one!"

NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject:

whoa! this is a big step closer...to NetNavis AND CopyRoids, if you think about it! wow...of course, the article briefly mentioned that if this technology got into the wrong hands that it could be bad (which was also discussed here. whatever, i still want one. i think it'll take them a while to do this though. seeing NetNavis in my lifetime might still be possible :D !
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tuxdev · Net Savior Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 139

Very Cool.

Maybe I should specialize in AI. I am a Computer Science major, after all. First I need to internalize and breath Lisp, not just know it. Added incentive!
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NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject:

hah, that's kind of cool. im a computer science major also. software engineering to be specific. i was thinking about the same thing tuxdev. i wouldn't mind working alongside these scientists! :]
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Nova.EXE · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject:

Man they're getting pretty close. Maybe in a couple of years we will all have something like a Navi. Would be nice. :]
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Seruko · Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: France

Wah, it's amazing, it's a huge step in IA's, and who knows, maybe Navis will be a reality ... if only scientists were Rockman.EXE fans XDDDDD

JH24 · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:41 am Post subject:

Wow, I had no idea they were this far. I always was skeptical about this but I have to admit when I read the article it is very exciting. Maybe a world (or at least a small part of it) like Rockman-exe is still possible in our lifetime.

I hope they do find ways to prevent this technology from falling into the wrong hands, but I think that will be impossible. Still, a great achievement which gives us a possible view of the future.
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cccd-erckie · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:54 am Post subject:

Holy socks! An artificial program that can upload itself into other softwares!? That's practically a Net Navi waiting to be given form! This is Huge!!! :O
Holy socks I want one!!!
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NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:20 am Post subject:

Crimson Seiko · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject:

Frankly, it sounds creepy to me.
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Lord S Paradox · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject:

Ditto, conquer-ition, and agreement flags all around with Crimson Seiko.

I'm sorry, but when you guys all talk about how much you want one of these things, I can only look at possible problems. I know that it's been joked about before, but cuteness can lead to deception and delusion. This thing has actually been compared to the Tamagotchi in terms of appearence. Something so simple and so cute couldn't possibly be wrong, right? I shudder at the thought.

It very well would be a convenient program if it could be pulled off. Heck, in the EXE world, that's why navis were created in the first place. If proper precautions can be made for these things, and if they're kept in a secure environment, then they might be an option for some of us more paranoid users.

tuxdev · Net Savior Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 139

I'm not really worried. Anything that can be used can be misused as well. There really isn't any point to be concerned about that. Think about the current state of computing, and how it might have been scary to previous generations. Navis and such are really just the next level.

I'd be scared to live in a world like EXE too, but much of why it would be scary is infeasible with current or foreseable technology. We can't make matter, or stable enough matter, out of energy yet so DAs aren't possible. Dark Chips are magic, and not sufficiently advanced technology [1]. That the security of various goverment buidings seem to be mysteriously nonexistant is really just a plot device.

[1] Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. --Clarke's Third Law
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cccd-erckie · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject:

I suppose a certain amount of apprehension is expected, as with all new things...
I however, am really, really excited about this. An artificial intelligence that follows you wherever you go! It's like having a real Navi! *squeals in fangirlish excitement*
Though, I suspect that we have to call them Ritys now, and not Navis. :/
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This is so cool! I want one! I wonder if they'll make ways of customizing your Rity as well?

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NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject:

cccd-erckie · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject:

I don't know what ANY of that means! Laughing

But I'll be more than happy to help with the "Call Ritys Navis Movement"! :V
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Guardman.EXE · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject:

What the Cummerbund!? This is awesome! This makes navis very possible. Now, if they give the internet a more...3D form then the navis would be able to take on a form.

After that happens, "physical" viruses would be made by people and battlechips will be needed. Netbattling between the navis will start to improve the virus busting skills of the people, and become a huge sport...

Also, along the line all of our electronics will be hooked up to this new internet and ta daa, we're in Rockman.EXE.
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Tachyon360 · Le Croissant Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 740

I never understood humanity's drive to sythetically replicate humanity. The aspects of AI research that focus on simulated (and presumably ultimately synthetic, but real) emotion and personality frankly scares me.

While self-aware software with human-like thought and emotion isn't necessarily bad given proper restrictions, providing software with the means to alter itself could eventually, if left unchecked, provide the software with the means to undo any ethical restrictions imposed upon it and potentially become mailicious.

While it's true that just about anything that could be used could also be misused and abused, what we're seeing in the making here is something sentient with the capacity to misused and abuse technology in nearly the same way as us. Granted, such capacity is still quite far off, but if the branch of AI research dealing with such abstract concepts as free will and emotion will continue to progress, we will begin to see problems.

While a piece of software that could freely, autonomously, and more or less intelligently move from computer to computer (as described in the article) doesn't seem dangerous in and of itself, if such a program were to be armed with the ability to freely adapt to new environments as well, we could wind up seeing rogue sobots hijacking computer-controlled equipment and causing damage, injury, and possibly even death.

In my opinion, AI research would be much better spent coming up with ways to augment humans themselves, and focus on means other than digital personalities as a way to interact with computers, whether it be through ubiquitous computer environments, mind-computer interfaces, or cybernetics. The concept of a PET from the EXE universe is a very good one, especially if it were to provide an intelligent user interface that constantly adapts to one's computing habits. The concept of an intelligent Navi that could hop around from computer to computer and take control of it to some extent is a very, very bad idea, for the reasons I mentioned above.

cccd-erckie · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:35 am Post subject:

Your logic does sound a bit scary, but I'm still highly optimistic. Though, I really doubt we'll be seeing any dramatic improvements to these Ritys for at least a good ten years. :/
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NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:39 am Post subject:

i know i lot of people are worried about what could go wrong and the types of people who would use this technology for bad, but like cccd-erckie i can't help but be optimistic also. if you are a good person, then wouldn't your Navi also be good? it's not like your Navi is gonna get hit on the head and then start destroying things. im pretty sure that something like the NetPolice are going to be put into effect, as well as Official NetBattlers. maybe im naive, but i believe in the goodness of the majority of the population.
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