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Crimson Seiko [Dream] Chaser
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 1528 Location: WV
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: VIZ Media plagiarized me. |
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I knew their recent Mega Man Star Force press release (released on June 19th) sounded familiar, and it seemed odd that they were using the Japanese names in the release (right down to "Rockman" instead of "Mega Man")... especially since an earlier press release used their new English names.
Press release here: http://www.viz.com/news/newsroom/2007/06_uniqueliexpo.php
Then I realized... They ripped it directly from the summary I submitted to Anime News Network months ago.
Here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6894
I'm not regularly on ANN, so I'm not positive how to view what I've contributed (if there is a way)... But I took a screenshot of the page showing me logged in and showing that I have an EDIT link next to the summary, meaning I submitted it and am able to alter it, unlike the summary before it.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2923/vizannon9.jpg
Unless there's a way to view when my summary was submitted, I understand that there's no real way to prove that I didn't submit this summary AFTER the press release... But I'm sure there's a way to check.
Again, I don't regular ANN, so I'm bringing this up in the forums because I'm hoping someone can suggest something I can do about this. I expect most of the things I publicly write on websites like ANN and Wikipedia to be stolen on other websites, but when someone like VIZ starts using them for profit, then it bothers me, and I want to think I could do something about it. _________________
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Dingo Have axe, will travel
Age: 39 Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 312 Location: Follow the bouncing tomahawk...
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Does Viz have any rights to ANN? I wouldn't think so, due to user-generated news and such.
IF Viz is truly in the wrong, I would attempt to contact one of their Moderators, GM's, or what have you, and try and get some answer using the proof you have. _________________
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ComicX6 We're working on it!
Age: 34 Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 1071 Location: Listening to 'Secret Agent Man'
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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This strikes me as deeply unprofessional, most likely illegal, and, most of all, incredibly lazy. Describing the premise of this series really isn't a very arduous task. They didn't even bother to change the names.
I recommend you get in contact with both ANN and Viz asap if you haven't already, and find out the story behind this. It just galls me to see any company do something this low. _________________ ' I don't care if the buzz isn't real- I can roleplay being drunk!'
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Haly K Cross Fusion!
Age: 32 Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 1022 Location: Somewhere, practicing with Flash animation
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Whoa, if this really turns out ot be plagiarism, then that's just low of VIZ to do. ( Strangely, I was just reading on plagiarism for a summer asignment. )
I mean, it shouldn't be hard to write a summary. They could've of at least been smart enough to change the Japanese names into their confirmed English/Dub names. That's kind of proof that they plagiarize, if they didn't bother to change the names.
Still, like ComicX6 and Dingo said, tell VIZ and ANN about this! _________________ MegaMan Kilobit
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Rock Miyabi Knifey/Spooney!
Age: 43 Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 870 Location: The Land of 10,000 Lakes
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Well, at least they altered the first sentence slightly! ^^;
I really don't know if this is possible, but shouldn't the Anime News Network have some way of checking to see exactly when you posted that summary? If you contacted them to see if they could track that data down, it would help as some extra proof that Viz is in the wrong.
Also, would there be ANY wording that you think might be capitalized/hyphenated/punctuated differently than what a Capcom press release or the game would? Like for instance, you might have added the hypen to "War-Rock," but Capcom left it without one or mushed together like Warrock. If how you worded it is unique, that can act as proof that this was actually plagarized. (If they would have kept your intro grammar mistake of "An space alien" you for sure could have nailed them on it.) But anyways, double check any of those words like "Wave Road" or "radio-wave" to see if you can use them to your benefit.
As a print journalism major and English minor, I can point to the final sentence they used in the press release as well. (Don't mean to be intentionally criticizing your grammar, but it's intended to help.) That sentence has a few too many "ands," which I think a properly schooled PR person would edit a bit better. I would say: "The two work together, merging into Rockman, a radio-wave human capable of traversing the Wave Road, battling radio-wave viruses and the FMs that threaten the Earth." Even then, it could be broken up into two sentences. A press release should contain shorter sentences. And if they couldn't take the time to notice that sentence needed some work, shove my edit down their throat! :D
This is sad, and shows that the company really doesn't even know the product they are working on. Or at least the PR person who wrote that press release up doesn't. It will be even worse when (I don't think I need an 'if and...' after reading this) the English dub gets it's eventual name changes. Take your proof and write to Viz about it. You definitely have a case and should fight to get things made right. _________________ Avatar art thanks to toberboobap, animated gif thanks to Dr. Wily II
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Crimson Seiko [Dream] Chaser
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 1528 Location: WV
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Rock Miyabi wrote: | (If they would have kept your intro grammar mistake of "An space alien" you for sure could have nailed them on it.) But anyways, double check any of those words like "Wave Road" or "radio-wave" to see if you can use them to your benefit. |
Let me clarify on this because I had a feeling it'd come up...
There are two summaries on that page.
The first "paragraph" which starts with "An space alien" was NOT written by me. It was on the page when I got there. I thought it was a horrible summary, so I contributed my own. The page said that if I contributed a better one with a good reason for it being better, then the older one would be deleted. (Months later, both summaries are still there...)
But, you see with ANN, when you're logged on, EDIT buttons only appear beside the material you actually submitted. As you can see in my screenshot, there's only EDIT buttons beside the genre, the first alternate title, and the second paragraph because I actually contributed those. I can't change anything someone else submitted.
Anyway... With that made clear...
I've sent some messages to ANN staff members in hopes that they can provide me with some kind of materials that can prove when I submitted my synopsis, and I've prepared a letter that I'll attach with the material to mail them. (You can't directly e-mail anyone on their site without filling out some lame "FAQ" form that will inevitably be ignored, so I have to snail mail all of this.) Once I've gathered up as much as I can to support that they're in the wrong, I'll mail it out and see what happens... _________________
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Rock Miyabi Knifey/Spooney!
Age: 43 Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 870 Location: The Land of 10,000 Lakes
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm...OK. Even with you stating that, it's hard to tell, because the edit button looks like it's for the whole summary. You'd think they'd separate it with a space at least, to help differentiate between multiple posts. Sheesh.
Well, anyways, good luck. _________________ Avatar art thanks to toberboobap, animated gif thanks to Dr. Wily II
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Crimson Seiko [Dream] Chaser
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Rock Miyabi wrote: | Hmmm...OK. Even with you stating that, it's hard to tell, because the edit button looks like it's for the whole summary. You'd think they'd separate it with a space at least, to help differentiate between multiple posts. Sheesh. :roll:
Well, anyways, good luck. :) |
Yeah. It's a total mess. But there's an obvious difference in writers between the two paragraphs, both from the overall writing quality (the first writer used "War Rock" and "Warrock") and the fact that if both paragraphs were taken as a whole, then the summary would be very redundant.
But regardless, I have to remember to really clarify the different writers when I address this issue to Viz. _________________
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Vast Rendan
Age: 32 Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 14 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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That is sad of Viz. Oh how the mighty has fallen.
Make sure you dont' edit your post though, because it will look like you changed your post to match Viz's. I did notice that they switched 'and' into 'but', but that is all that seems different. If you get the right information, you could really nail them.
Good luck in your data hunt!
Vast Rendan _________________
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Crimson Seiko [Dream] Chaser
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I got a response from a staff member at ANN assuring me that he's contacting the senior enyclopedist of ANN as well as VIZ Media concerning the issue and that he'll keep me posted.
Noticeably, the other plot synopsis on Ryusei has been omitted, probably because the page has been brought up to ANN's staff's attention, so that only mine remains now. _________________
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AngelfanA16 Nebula
Age: 34 Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 585 Location: Angel Stadium
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Are you looking for credit? Cause what they did is dead wrong, if in fact they did do so. I don't see them making a public statement, or retraction. Anyway, i hope it works out for you. _________________
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mi Net Savior
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 151 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Just wondering if you've recieved any feedback from this yet...? _________________ "There is no coincidence, only Hitsuzen" Yuko, xxxHolic
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