Rockman Clips and YouTube

Mona Risa · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: Rockman Clips and YouTube

Didn't know which category to place this in so I put it under this one.

Thing is the following.

I have a YouTube account on which I post AMV's and other videos by me. I put up two Rockman AMV's but some time later, they were both removed. I got a note from YouTube stating that the company who 'owns' the footage of R.EXE has decided that footage of R.EXE is no longer allowed on YouTube.

I found that rather strange because I thought that rule only counted for whole (unedited) episodes and not AMV's, since they are edited by another party. Even stranger is that other R.EXE clips from other users (be they unedited clips or AMV's) are still existent and viewable on YouTube today.

Now I no longer post any R.EXE related clips on YouTube, out of fear of being suspended or banned. Which is a shame because I highly enjoy creating AMV's and the lot.

Anyone wanna write their thoughts down about this here?
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TheWebbuilder · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:58 am Post subject:

I don't really understand the situation either.

I had my account wiped because of my AMVs. However, the cleansing occured after I made a small one-liner on RockMan-DD explaining that it was an unfinished version of the AMV, and that I'd 'release' the finished version later.

The only thing I can figure is that somehow, by telling viewers that I was releasing the AMVs, YouTube thought I was pushing ownership of the material (even though the video plainly stated that it was a fan AMV) and promptly yanked it.

As towards why there's other RockMan stuff on there... I can only think of one of two solutions. 1) YouTube doesn't care so long as the poster doesn't make anything resembling a claim because they just don't have the time to sift through all of their videos. 2) The stuff is being uploaded so fast that YouTube can't keep up with it. Razz

I suppose that there's a third option. That someone is reporting the videos as copyright infraction which leads YouTube to panic. But I have a hard time seeing why anyone would report such things as AMVs...
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Haly K · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject:

Well, almost all of the NT Warrior dub episodes are up on YouTube right now, plus some raw/sub eps and a couple of Stream dubbing attemps... But I suppose they're not yanked because they have stuff like "This anime is copyright of Capcom/ShoPro and they own all ownership of this anime and I did not make this anime" in the descriptions.

So what I'm guessing is that as long as you make it extremely clear that the anime is not yours, they'll leave it alone.

... Or it could be the second option that TheWebbuilder said. Either way could work. Laughing

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Shakai · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject:

I believe it has to do with people reporting them.

I mean...I've had some of my videos removed, but they were from games, and I never got ANY notice of it until I looked through my videos and was like "whoa, that was removed?"

As for why people would flag AMVs? They're trying to piss you off.
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Mona Risa · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject:

Yeah, someone also brought up the "someone reporting my vids in particular" suspicion. That's a shame, since I never claim AMV footage that wasn't made by me (as would any person with common sense do)

There also was slight panic among YouTubers that the website began a so-called Anime Holocaust, deleting all anime-related material since a lot of series promptly disappeared. To me, that sounds like an overreaction because then YouTube would lose a LOT of popularity.
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Midnight · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject:

Anime Master ZERO · Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:

My account was also banned from YouTube because I had AMVs up there.

Nowadays I don't upload anything there.
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NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:20 am Post subject:

i thought the "delete-all-tuhs-animez" crusade was over. huh, guess not. you would think that if you run a video site, you would know what an AMV is and the fact that it's not an episode but a series of clips with music. wow, this is really pathetic. i do remember watching the whole dubbed first season of Rockman.EXE by some uploader named SuperLegendarySmash. why do i remember that name? it's epic. anyhoo, shortly after, i couldn't find any of his Rockman videos. not. a single. one. but like it was previously stated, some companies issued cease-and-desist orders ... but i still fail to see why this would apply to AMVs.
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**Izumi** · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:34 am Post subject:

NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:48 am Post subject:

yeah but it still doesn't make any sense for an AMV.
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TheWebbuilder · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:17 am Post subject:

NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:04 am Post subject:

hmm, didn't think of that way. okay, just forget everything i said! Razz

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Zippo · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject:

Any piece of footage, or even a still frame or image, from an episode of Rockman EXE is copyright of Capcom (and any other license-holder)... doesn't matter how big or small it is, but the owners have full rights and privileges over that material.

If they don't want even a millisecond of their copyrighted material to appear in the small corner of an AMV or other video, they have the right to prohibit it.

It does suck, though, because you're only a fan, trying to appeal to other fans.
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HikariMiyuki · Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:02 am Post subject:

I have an account on youtube too, and I joined a group called anime army. There we discuss why this is happening and how to prevent it.
It's all because of copyright.
It is safer to credit the owner of the anime/song that you used and put this disclaimer: "I do not own any of the anime and music shown here" before you go on with your discription.

For RockmanExe however, you could put this: "Rockman Exe and everything associated with it belongs to Capcom and Shopro. All rights reserved."

Hope that helps.
You could go and take a look in anime army for more info. http://www.youtube.com/group/forteconversation
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**Sol** · Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:00 am Post subject:

HikariMiyuki · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:04 am Post subject:

well, we're trying to tell that we make AMVs out of appreciation, not for stealing.
Still, you're right. It actually depends on the companies.
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**Sol** · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:13 am Post subject:

No, I get what you're saying. Most authors/artists pretty much do it for the appreciation of it (excluding the few that do it for completely different reasons...>_>), and I guess that's why companies give so much leeway with the fans of their stuff. It's only a problem if said companies gets wind of illegal fan activity happening, which then throws the whole community into prepetual wank.

Sorry if I came off as too brash in my last post, but some people still think that they are excluded from lawsuits because of disclaimers. =/
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HikariMiyuki · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:51 am Post subject:

I understand what you meant, the disclaimers we put up is just to reduce the risk, but only by a small percentage. I don't think we could handle this problem of AMVs being taken down because in a way, it is invading their copyright.
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marihikari · Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject:

I understand the previous two posts as well- if ithe AMV violates the copyright code, even if it's the slightest amount with giving credit, then it is up to the staff of youtube to decide whether or not to continue having it displayed on the web page or not.

I have seen many amvs with credits going to the creators of the clips, but still have been taken off.
For example, i know of one AMV that was set to the song "It's not Over" by Daughtry with movie clips from "Yami No Hikari Program", and i'm pretty sure it gave out the proper credits. Still got taken off.
The movie has been posted (subbed version) many times as well as being removed.

I'm still a little reluctant to post my AMV there once i finish it ^^;.
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Mona Risa · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:32 am Post subject:

It is a real shame that AMV's get deleted and some still for some mysterious reason "survive". I do understand the point of "Putting up credits is NOT an excuse"-thing. But here's something I am curious about:

I also have a fair amount of Cyborg 009 AMVs posted on my account, some of which are already present there for over a year. Then I posted some fansubbed (note: subbed by ME) episodes and they dissappeared after a few months. So, that fed my initial suspicion that AMVs WERE allowed whilst (raw) episode are not.

But I think it's indeed the distribution company that owns R.EXE that is the 'problem' since the note I got stated that it was *company name.LTD* that has decided that R.EXE is not allowed to be put up on YouTube for viewing.

But now I have AMVs that have no destination to be put somewhere so the public can enjoy and comment on them. I might consider AnimeMusicVideos.org, but I don't know about that since it has got restrictions for certain bands and music. Anyone else got good suggestions?
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