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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not totally sure what you're talking about, Saito-kun. I really need to try to keep up with things better. >> Have you heard about something being continued?

Now that you mention it, I was confused about the Beyondard characters running around their world, too. It was definitely strange... Maybe it means the issues in Trill's world weren't totally resolved with the Beasts being destroyed after all?
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not quite what I meant. I'm talking about the Dimensional Area-like effect in Beyondard, which allowed the Navis to come out for ten-minute periods. When Crazy Angel CF Rockman got rid of it, he and the others returned to their world because stability had been restored and all the Fossa Ambiences were closing. But Chirol and Kurohige get through one, and the digging guys who I can't remember the names of get through another. I don't think either group ever returns to their home world. What's more, the digging guys act like the Dimensional Area-like effect is still around, and they even wind up chasing a huge substantiated virus. What's going on there? We never get an answer because there's no time for one. :/


I don't know about Chirol and Kurohige's case, as I NEVER ever rewatch episodes that only focus on them (Beast+ 8 & 9. Except Beast+ 10, I enjoyed that episode, but when it came to those two I got easily bored)

About Dotarou and Press (The digging guys you mentioned) and the Maha Tsurahashi... Honestly I don't know how Fossa Ambience appeared in those 2, the only thing I know is they were digging and accidentally hit a Fossa Ambience and IPC slant. In Maha Tsurahashi's case, he was infected by a Zero Virus (I don't know if it's really similar in the GC ones.) and he substantiate in the real world without Dimensional Area.

@Saito-kun: You mean another EXE game with Nintendo 3DS!? If it was true, I would back flip... For no reason XD
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was on PRC somewhere and in the OSS blog. They were apparently making plans for the series. Whether they got anywhere is anyone's guess!

The 3DS game is pure speculation on my part. Would love to see it though.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would really love to see it. But I really wanted another EXE series that really based in the Anime, of course, with Saito.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still confused as to why they took him out in the first place. Doesn't make any sense... I mean, he's even in the manga, which skipped a lot of things from the games, so why leave him out in the anime? He's just as much of a main character as Netto is, possibly even bigger, so why leave him out? :/
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who knows? I thought for sure he would show up at the Pharohman arc. Which turned out to be super dissapointing and didn't make any sense. I was really irritated with the whole Pharohman (who has a very small role in the games. I don't even remember his purpose other than being bad guy # whatever) is SUPER IMPORTANT RIDICULOUSLY POWERFUL and somehow Forte's daddy? What? I blocked most of that out of my mind.

Anyways, if they brought Saito in I would be ridiculously excited. But if I seriously think about it, if the did revive the anime, there's no way we'd get Saito this far into the series unless they just chucked him in there and were like "We just decided not to allude to such an important character/plot device for 200+ episodes except with Miyuki's random comment in the first season! This was a good idea. :D"
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pharoahman thing REALLY confused me too. I was like "Wait, Forte was like... created from him or something? Wat."


And yeah, I agree. Sadly I don't think it'll happen unless they made like... an alternate version of the anime. :( Boo.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I realized Saito had EVEN a bigger role in EXE5. I mean, he just stopped Nebula Grey with just a wave of hand, if it weren't for Forte Cross Rockman in the movie, and his removal in the Anime, it would've been better.

Personally, I liked Forte's creation in the Game and Manga version, I mean, he was just a good Navi as others.

As for Saito, I'm TRULY disappointed to when he didn't make in the Anime, I think he has a bigger role than even Netto himself.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This reminds me! Whatever happens in the hypothetical anime, it should never bring back Forte. Don't get me wrong, I like him in the games and the manga, but he's completely pointless in the anime.

I think the place to bring Saito in, if ever, would be at the very end for that boost in epicness. Otherwise, the anime really doesn't need Saito--there are even strikes against him, since I'm pretty sure Blues and Forte share the Ultimate Program and Trill's an alternate version of Rockman created by Tadashi. Everything points toward Rockman just being a Navi designed by someone who knew what he was doing. Go knowledge? Razz

I like Saito, but I do see why the anime left him out. He tends to be mentioned near the end of each game--maybe this kept him a surprise for anyone introduced through the anime--and sometimes the Saito thing isn't even that important to the plot. And then there's the link thing, which even the games sometimes seemed to forget about... Besides, the games were all about Rockman, and the anime never seemed to want to do that. While Rockman was always important, it had more of an emphasis on teamwork earlier on and Netto/more teamwork later.

(Oddly enough, I don't remember the manga having him. I remember Saito Style, but I don't remember anything about them being twins...)
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what Imperiality meant that Saito is mentioned, as a Style Change. Oddly enough, even though they didn't need the Saito character, why not the style change?
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue wrote:

(Oddly enough, I don't remember the manga having him. I remember Saito Style, but I don't remember anything about them being twins...)

In the third volume, first chapter. That's the chapter where Rockman gets kidnapped by Skullman, and Miuki (I think that's her name, I forget. Skullman's opporator) tests Netto's bond with his nenavi, saying he is uncapable of connecting with a netnavi's soul. Netto says navi's don't have soul, blahblahblah, he get's RockMan out of there, Miuki's confused on how he did it, and then she realizes that RockMan poses a human soul. She doesn't know how or why Rockman has one, and then she apologies to Netto by giving him a buttload of rare chips.

Also, in the very first chapter in the first volume, Meiru makes a comment on how Rock and Netto act so much like brothers to each other.

I think that's about as far as it goes, though...Not too much of him, but he's definitely there, even if they don't go into detail about him.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue wrote:
This reminds me! Whatever happens in the hypothetical anime, it should never bring back Forte. Don't get me wrong, I like him in the games and the manga, but he's completely pointless in the anime.


I somewhat agree. They really ruined his part in the anime early on and I don't think Forte is salvagable even in our fantasy anime. Unless we're talking about rebooting the whole thing to suit our tastes. I still feel as though he wasn't done justice, but if they continued the anime it would probably be best to just leave that alone... <.<;

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Otherwise, the anime really doesn't need Saito--there are even strikes against him, since I'm pretty sure Blues and Forte share the Ultimate Program and Trill's an alternate version of Rockman created by Tadashi. Everything points toward Rockman just being a Navi designed by someone who knew what he was doing. Go knowledge? Razz


I have to disagree here, though. I don't remember if the Ultimate Program was ever explained in detail. (It was never even touched on after that weird arc) But it's doubtable that all three of them have the exact same program in them so much as seperate programs that are super powerful since they were all made by different people. For Forte I always assumed they were referencing his GetAbility. Blues... No idea. Rockman I of course would assume Saito.bat but since that's never brought up, either, who knows? And Trill isn't an alternate version of Rockman. Netto just says that Trill probably feels so close to Rockman because Yuuichirou used their Hikari Tadashi's research to help make Rockman. (Which is also super vague considering ALL navis are technically based off his research.) The Hikari Tadashi in their world also never lived long enough to work on Dimensional Areas or anything resembling the Beasts, thus, his research would be MUCH different than whatever Beyondard Hikari Tadashi came up with. So there's some similarities in their programing, but not enough to claim they're counter parts.

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And then there's the link thing, which even the games sometimes seemed to forget about...


Aggh! I know, right!? XD That used to burn me up because I'd be like "WHAT DOES THE LINK DO?" In EXE1 they said Netto and Rockman would feel the same pain, but he gets beaten up all the time and Netto's ok... I can only assume that Rockman and Netto have some sort of control over when they use the link. Like they have to be in Full Synchro for them to share pain. Or maybe like in the parts where Saito.bat came up I think Rockman had to access the program or somehow combine his power with Netto's soul? I don't remember the exact circumstances.

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Besides, the games were all about Rockman, and the anime never seemed to want to do that. While Rockman was always important, it had more of an emphasis on teamwork earlier on and Netto/more teamwork later.


I don't believe that at all. The games were always well balanced between Netto and Rockman's teamwork and friendship. Neither one seemed to get all the glory. I can't even think of an example of one time I thought otherwise throughout the games. Axess and Stream were heavily emphasized on Netto and for a few episodes Rockman was more like a tool for Cross Fusion than a partner. I'm not saying that was the case through the entire thing, but there was definitely a lack of balance.


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(Oddly enough, I don't remember the manga having him. I remember Saito Style, but I don't remember anything about them being twins...)


Nope. They aren't twins in the manga, either. The guy in charge of the manga apparently was like "Forget the anime and games! I'm doing my own thing. :D" which was fine by me. It explained the concept of synchronizing with a navi much better than the game or anime.

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maybe this kept him a surprise for anyone introduced through the anime


... Never thought of that before. That's probably the main reason, now that you mention it. But there's still plenty of anime based off games that give away such spoilers... Maybe it's because the anime came out alongside the series?[/i]
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ultimate Program is mentioned again--Yuuichirou says Cross Fusion changed it in Axess, and Forte's trying to get one in the beginning of Stream. I do agree about your point that they could just be three different programs, though.

I remember hearing that Beast 25 said Trill was the Rockman of Beyondard. But it's been an awfully long time since Beast 25 came out, so maybe I'm right and maybe I'm misremembering things. ^^;

What you say about the link is probably the real reason why the anime didn't touch Saito. If half the time the link doesn't seem to be in effect, why should it show up in the anime? I liked the manga's handling of the 'link' effect and how Enzan had it as well, so there was a real sense of Netto and Enzan being partners toward the beginning.

Should've been clearer there, sorry. ^^; I meant teamwork with other Operators and Navis; Netto and Rockman usually work with other people in the anime. The gang in EXE, Enzan in Axess, the CF Members in Stream, the gang plus Enzan, Laika, and Dingo in Beast... Sure, Netto and Rockman are powerful, but the other team members do make contributions. Meanwhile, in the games, EXE3 starts off by having the gang try to pitch in... and they promptly get hypnotized! Silly gang, only Netto and Rockman can do stuff! EXE5 and 6 were much better about that, but the first few games still had that sense of Rockman and Netto being the only competent battlers in town. Though that can probably be chalked up to 'video game hero'. ^^;
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue wrote:
The Ultimate Program is mentioned again--Yuuichirou says Cross Fusion changed it in Axess, and Forte's trying to get one in the beginning of Stream.


Oh, I totally don't remember that at all. o.o I guess it doesn't help that I can't really understand Japanese all that well... I'm still only a second year student in the language. <.<;

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I remember hearing that Beast 25 said Trill was the Rockman of Beyondard. But it's been an awfully long time since Beast 25 came out, so maybe I'm right and maybe I'm misremembering things. ^^;


Hm... That's another thing I'll have to get back to you on once the subs come out. XD

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Should've been clearer there, sorry. ^^; I meant teamwork with other Operators and Navis; Netto and Rockman usually work with other people in the anime. The gang in EXE, Enzan in Axess, the CF Members in Stream, the gang plus Enzan, Laika, and Dingo in Beast... Sure, Netto and Rockman are powerful, but the other team members do make contributions. Meanwhile, in the games, EXE3 starts off by having the gang try to pitch in... and they promptly get hypnotized! Silly gang, only Netto and Rockman can do stuff! EXE5 and 6 were much better about that, but the first few games still had that sense of Rockman and Netto being the only competent battlers in town. Though that can probably be chalked up to 'video game hero'. ^^;


Ohhhh, ok. I see what you mean. Yeah, that was really great that they did all that in the anime. I'm glad Meiru and Roll specifically got to show that they weren't just damsels in distress.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue wrote:
What you say about the link is probably the real reason why the anime didn't touch Saito.


Nah. They could have handled it however they pleased, and the games might have even followed suit if it turned out well. They wouldn't even have to go into the link if they wanted. Just have the Saito character. That's definitely not the reason.

The show would have benefited from having that be an integral part of the story.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Ultimate Program topic, it was mentioned again in the Movie, where Rockman pleads Forte to absorb his Ultimate Program to beat Nebula Grey, when that didn't work for Forte and he can't control it, Forte Cross Rockman was born.

As for Saito not being touch by the Anime version, I don't know the reason, Anime, Game and Manga have different plots and some or most characters had different sides in those 3, except that Gospel had the same members as the game version in the Manga, but not the Anime.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just sort of thinking today that if the anime got revived I'd actually like to see an episode about Haruka or Yuuichirou. They show up frequently enough but I'd want an episode actually centered around one or both of them.
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As weird as it is to say, I kind of liked it better before Yuuichiro was always around. Maybe it's a cliche to have the father always gone, and maybe it's just guilt by association since I hold the original series in the highest regard, but it made his rare appearances all the more special. Netto and Rockman's courage and heroics seemed more independent--before Yuuichiro and scilab were always around with dimensional areas and backup cross fusion members and chip gates and net police.

Mah. Rolling Eyes I'd take any form of a revival.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Achie-san: I was also wondering how those two met and had a relationship...

As for the revival, any revival for me is fine.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saito-kun wrote:
As weird as it is to say, I kind of liked it better before Yuuichiro was always around. Maybe it's a cliche to have the father always gone, and maybe it's just guilt by association since I hold the original series in the highest regard, but it made his rare appearances all the more special. Netto and Rockman's courage and heroics seemed more independent--before Yuuichiro and scilab were always around with dimensional areas and backup cross fusion members and chip gates and net police.

Mah. Rolling Eyes I'd take any form of a revival.


I guess I have to agree with you. The series was better before it became so militaristic with the Scilabs and such. I do like seeing more of Yuuichirou but it's never in interesting situations after EXE. Axess and beyond he's just there to move the plot and fill everyone in on what's going on.
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