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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsuzie wrote:
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Actually I think the real reason anime Forte will never be up to par with his game/anime counterparts is because of the whole ultimate program bit. Yeah, his anime background was terrible, but it's because he doesn't have that "program" that he can't reach his full potential. So, if there was anything I could change in the anime, it would be to get rid of that plot device. >_<

Anyway, as for Forte, his manga version is definately my favorite. His character has a lot of depth; more so than any other Rockman manga villian. His game counterpart is okay. He does have a backstory, but he has been used just as a challenge more than anything. I would like to see him have a major involvement in a game sometime.



What about BN3 he was involved more in it than the other BN games to date....I thought it was sad that Cossack sortof disown Forte cuz he was a threat to humanity. :grr: :Kill,kill,kill!!!!!


well, he did't really disown him, 'cause everyone just kinda blamed Forte for what Proto did, and Cossack didn't really want to destroy him, they simply thought it was the only option, then they found out if was Proto, not Forte, and I'll bet they all felt stupid then, and also, due to that, I feel more sorry for Forte in the games than the Manga, even though I haven't read the manga yet, I just know what happens.. anyway ya, so he's kinda pissed to the point where he's beyond reasoning with now, although to the person that said that hate is stronger than love with Forte, I'm not so sure, 'cause at the end of EXE 3, Aragoma says "That navi Forte couldn't bring itself to kill its father" or something like that so..., despite the rabid hatred, I think he still does care about Cossack a little, and I'm pretty sure Cossack still cares about him.

and going OT real quick: for the post above, the thing about classic Forte reminds me of this reakky funny Flash cartoon I saw one time

and going back on topic...

ya... Forte just kinda sucked in the Anime... although that first scene you see him in is kinda cool... and that part where he's reading Rock's mind was kinda cool although... Rock was unconcious... what I don't understand is: Rock was right there, STILL unconsious after he recovered his memory, he could have easily anhilated him, and he didn't... why?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anime Forte background sucks and there would have been alot of plot devolpent if forte stuck with his game background.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:23 am    Post subject: Good. This is good. Reply with quote

By the way, that "Proto" that you've just mentioned wouldn't be the Japanesse name for the final boss Alpha in MegaMan Battle Network 3 would it, Sweetsuzie? 'Cause I happen to agree that Alpha was really the cause for the major damage that the officials in the game thought Forte/Bass did back then. The Black Shadow really hated the humans because he used to trust them and treat them like family and now they turned on him and attacked as if he were a threat. How would you feel if the people that you trust turned against you? I bet that it would be the same result as with Forte. You would also be beyond reason and the only way that people could talk to you is by knocking some sense into you until you're tired enough for them to start talking. You really got to feel sorry for him. That's one of the many ideas that I have for one of my stories that would have him in it. Well, Later!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, all I can hope is that Anime Forte will make some more appearences in which he fights a lot and uses the attacks he didnt used yet like: Air Bust, Earth Breaker, Gospel Cannon, Gospel Breath.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He did use Earth Breaker in the fight against Slur. Granted it didn't do anything nor look impressive but he did use it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I though he only used Dark Blade and Darkness Overload?
**watches the episode again**

yeah, you are right, he did used Earth Breaker Razz
Didnt noticed since it looks different than the game version Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Good. This is good. Reply with quote

SonicNigma212 wrote:
By the way, that "Proto" that you've just mentioned wouldn't be the Japanesse name for the final boss Alpha in MegaMan Battle Network 3 would it, Sweetsuzie? 'Cause I happen to agree that Alpha was really the cause for the major damage that the officials in the game thought Forte/Bass did back then. The Black Shadow really hated the humans because he used to trust them and treat them like family and now they turned on him and attacked as if he were a threat. How would you feel if the people that you trust turned against you? I bet that it would be the same result as with Forte. You would also be beyond reason and the only way that people could talk to you is by knocking some sense into you until you're tired enough for them to start talking. You really got to feel sorry for him. That's one of the many ideas that I have for one of my stories that would have him in it. Well, Later!

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Suz- that was me! :grr: anywho, yes, Proto/Alpha are the same thing...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL!Yep I didn't say that but I agree...Alpha cuased a lot of problems for Forte,but in a way it was also his fault since he was the usaul suppect ever since he did a lot of mischief that irritated many people in the lab.(talking about Manga vol.6) Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well,Forte did use the Air Burst on Rockman and Blues...he also used the Hells Rolling but it got cut in two by Blues Soul.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinion on Forte is that of most people on here. The anime version was not done justice. He gets defeated by SLUR! This completely destroys his character history. He is supposivly an uber strong warrior who only Rockman can defeat. Rock gets his ass handed, and this little girl comes up and beats him. Serenade is a little more reasonably as it shows that blind anger will not be able to defeat love( a stupid concept IMO). In conclusion, forte shouldnt be as weak as the manga and game, and anime portray him as. Now lets all kill slur.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weee yes let kill it*note I said it since its gender is not confirmed but I think its a he* :grr:
Well as much as I like the uber navi he's anime version suxs its like he was there just to please the fangirls and boys like myself which I find insulting cuz I want him to actually do stuff like in Stream 2. but well we all know what he mostly does so far....-_-;
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets see now.

It has a feminine face, a skirt. Uses feminine attacks, and guess what?? People in this world like to use female characters to defeat uber powerful male characters in a world of increasing feminism, even though it makes no freaking sense. I think that there is a 90% chance that Slur is a female.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't exacly follow the manga but didn't Forte meet serenade in the undernet? If so do you think that Rockman will get a mission in the undernet and meet bass( I think he would be there because in stream #2 it looked like he was sent to the undernet by slur) and Serenade will be introduced.
Just my opignon I dought it but it could happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never even thought there was confusion over Slur. She's obviously female. Anyway, Forte is a dumbass in the anime mainly for reasons already stated.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flame Buster wrote:
I never even thought there was confusion over Slur. She's obviously female. Anyway, Forte is a dumbass in the anime mainly for reasons already stated.



Errr..sorry guys it was a typo I meant She and missed the "S". >_<
I know Slur is totally female.^_^;
Well anyways yeah I wish he was involved more in the bn games(with the exception of BN3) and the anime more....It just seems like a waste to give him such a backround and not actually use he in the plot of a future game or show. :grr:
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slur's "obviously" female... just like Serenade was "obviously" female? Or Foxtar from RMZ was "obviously" female? How about how X8's Lumine was "obviously" female? Face it: Capcom has a track record for making blatantly feminine characters male. With this kind of the thing, the only proof we can safely go by is what the other characters refer to Slur as, and not mere assumption.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lean towards the fact that both Serenade and Slur are females. Slur sounds like a woman, where as in Neo WWW Narcy Hide looks very femmine but is infact a male. *shrug* But to each his own I suppose. If people want to say that they are males or females, thats fine.

I wish Serenade was in the anime. T_T

Anyways back to Foooorteee ^_^

I was highly disapointed in the anime with Forte. I loved his back story from the games (and manga since it is the same I believe). I was so mad when I found out he and Gospel came from Pharaohman in the anime >_< How lame! He doesn't even get all that much screentime Sad ..and his voice sounds funny o_o;. Maybe thats because he isn't some raving pyscho anymore. *shrug*

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If so do you think that Rockman will get a mission in the undernet and meet bass( I think he would be there because in stream #2 it looked like he was sent to the undernet by slur) and Serenade will be introduced.
Just my opignon I dought it but it could happen.


I agree, I think that would be awesome to happen in the anime. Though I'd save it for another season, Stream is so scattered right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hobbit_hunter wrote:
I lean towards the fact that both Serenade and Slur are females. Slur sounds like a woman, where as in Neo WWW Narcy Hide looks very femmine but is infact a male. *shrug* But to each his own I suppose. If people want to say that they are males or females, thats fine.

Actually... it's been confirmed by Meijin himself (the real one... yeah, he's a real person) that Serenade has no gender. Something along the lines of "her awesome power surpasses gender." So... yeah, Serenade can be a woman or a man, if you want...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Something along the lines of "her awesome power surpasses gender."


Kinda freaky I say Laughing. Meijin hath spoken!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is not freaky. Navis in theory have no gender. As the 'gender' is often determined by sexual organs, which the navis really don't have, as they don't reproduce the way humans do. All they have is an apparent gender given through appearance. You could say Serenade was conceived to be a Navi equivalent of deities that have the beauty, gentleness and compassion of a female, with the strenght, power and wisdom of a male. Or what are the stereotypical attributes of each gender anyway.

In appearance it looks like neither, its face gives away no details, the face is delicate enough to look like a young boy or a beautiful girl, but the chest and the 'hip shape' are more 'manly' in structure than a female within the EXE context.

Back on topic, Forte's existance in the anime seemed to obey simply to shoving the character there for the sake of adding him. While being the 'reincarnation' of Pharaohman could have been handled in more interesting ways, his motives are relatively dull. He has nothing really to back up his actions other than Pharaohman's superiority complex.

It would have been interesting to add the anime/manga background as an arc in the anime. But I have to admit I'm not sure if Forte's origin was already in the anime by the time the 3rd game was released.
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