Supaidaa!! ;_; (MAJOR Spoilers)

Featherdust · [survivalism] Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 635

Okay... I was playing MMX Command Mission and Spider died. And I was clinging to the screen screaming "NO, DON'T DIE!!"
So I desperately need to know two things: 1) Does Spider ever come back, and 2) I heard that Spider was actually Colonel Rideps. WTF? Can someone please explain this?
*sighs* My poor Spider! ;_; I am at a loss.
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**PlaguedOne** · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject:

Well, if you don't mind ruining the ending...

Spider is not Colonel Redips. Redips is Spider. Colonel Redips is an advanced generation Reploid (or gained one of the advanced generation chips, whichever.... he can change shapes just as Axl does). Spider does not actually exist as a separate character. Redips used that form to his own ends. So, Spider does not die. However, that's because he never truely existed at all.
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Raijin · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject:

Why don't you just finish the game and find out? You're not that far from the end, and it would be a shame to spoil the ending for you when you're so close.

Edit: Damnit, Pyo!

Well, at any rate there's a bit of sense in the theory that Spider DID exist for real at one point and Redips merely came in and replaced him after Chapter 2. Mainly because the alternative makes less sense. Although considering Capcom's writers, the alternative is probably correct anyway.

Featherdust · [survivalism] Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 635

Thanks Pyo, and thanks Raijin. Pyo, you gave me tha answer I was looking for, and Raijin, you gave me hope that Spider actually existed at some point. I hope he did. x_X Crappy ending if you ask me, but oh well. I'll go play the game now and beat that disturbing Ferham.
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Raijin · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject:

I went and hunted down a post I made in another forum a while ago describing the "Spider Lived" theory.

Featherdust · [survivalism] Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 635

w00t, thank you Raijin! More hope that Spider was real! ^.^ It makes sense, too. And I never did realize that Redips was Spider spelt backwards. I'm oblivious. <.<
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Raijin · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject:

Well, I didn't realize it either until the very last chapter when the "secret" was revealed, at which point it hit me like a brick.

LBD_Nytetrayn · Net Agent Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 244 Location: Toronto

I realized it beforehand when I'd seen it misspelled as Featherdust had. Just short of beating Epsilon did it hit me.

I think it could go either way, we may find out in a sequel, may not. But I think for now, we're meant to simply accept that Redips = Spider.

Of course... maybe they wanted to leave an opening that way. Just in case.

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Aqua Rock X · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject:

Ah Spider, he was my favorite CM exclusive character for a time. When I learned that he was just a part of that freak show Redips, Cinnamon quickly took that place. And I never held contempt for Redips until that Creepy "Golden room" scene just before the final battle. I was so freaked out that I couldn't concentrate during the final battle, yet I ended up beating him on my first try anyway.

And I didn't realize the Spider/Redips spelling, until just before I finished Ch.6, and only because I read a spoiler post in the Gamefaqs message board.

Raijin · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject:

I always feel so embarrassed that it took me so long to notice the spelling thing. Usually whenever I'm faced with a strange unfamiliar word, the first thing I do is spell it backwards. It's been an automatic reflex of mine for years. And yet I completely neglected Redips until the very end. I suppose it was because Redips seemed like such an ancillary character until then that I didn't even think to pay attention to his name. I guess it's true what they say that the best place to hide something is right out in the open. You'd think more people would spot that spelling thing right off the bat, but most people I know don't realize it until afterwards, just like me.

Mana · Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:14 pm Post subject:

Featherdust, now you know how I felt when I found out about the secret of Spider. XD I nearly died at the end of the game from shock. Spider still exists in my imagination though. ;P That's all that really matters to me.

I would of added some stuff here about the actual storyline, but everything seems to be answered already.

LBD_Nytetrayn · Net Agent Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 244 Location: Toronto

I had my suspicions after the cinema where X talks to Redips, then sees the light before Spider shows up... it was the same light Axl gives off.

My only question is, how did he survive his self-destruct? Seems there'd be a body, or something...

Maybe he's just that quick.

LBD "Nytetrayn"
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Raijin · Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:41 am Post subject:

I seem to remember one of the NPCs saying Spider refused to be repaired afterwards, so I guess they just dumped him out with the trash, and that's when he made his escape.

Either that or when he "self destructed" he just used his Axl-esque "Stealth Mode" to make it look like he was vaporized.

LBD_Nytetrayn · Net Agent Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 244 Location: Toronto

Razorman .Exe · Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject:

What if Redips isn't Spider, and it's just a coincidence that it's Redips backwards. Pedips might've seen Spider before, and copied Spider to confuse the Maverick Hunters. That'd be pointless, though.
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LBD_Nytetrayn · Net Agent Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 244 Location: Toronto

Like I said before, all good theories that work in retcon, but only then, as I'm very sure that they didn't plan anything more than Redips = Spider for the game, with the possible exception of a few possible openings(such as the ones people have identified here) to go back and visit if they should decide to bring back the Spider persona.

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Sasuke.EXE V2 · Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:

When I first got to Chapter 10 and saw the Redips scene, I was completely pissed off. I simply asked what kind of retarded monkey takes one of the coolest characters in the game and twists him so that he was really Redips in disguise. But other than that, I learned from my mistakes and took off all his weapons and metals on my second playthrough.
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Raijin · Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:15 pm Post subject:

You don't have to do that, the game de-equpids Spider automatically.

A lot of you people are real suckers for Capcom's writing style. You know Spider's just a cookie-cutter personality, right? He's only "cool" because Capcom used all the "cool" stereotypes. I actually like Spider myself, but purely for his battle speed. When you get random battles every two steps, it's nice to have Spider act first and slaughter all the enemies with his Spades weapon blanket attack that he barely has to move for.

I think the writers came up with the Redips=Spider thing a little late. I just don't see how they could have ran Spider's introduction story the way they did knowing he'd have to turn out to be an imposter later on. Intentional or not, that first Chapter with Spider in it gives them plenty of opening to explain that the real Spider was merely replaced by Redips afterwards. I hope they do that some time instead of leaving it as a messy plot hole.

TriggerEXE · Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:26 am Post subject:

Oh yeah, Spider is handy in battle. I caught on to the backwards spelling thing, but it took me a few looks. Mostly because I'm a bit dyslexic anyhow. ^^; So I figured that he would be the puppet of Redips or Redips in disguise or something so I just shruged it off and used him to my full benefit in battles. He's...a reploid Gambit. With a top hat. Laughing

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ShadowBlade3000 · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 32

One of the most annoying things to me in a RPG game would be a party member of yours dying because of plot. Well in this case, "dying." Personally, I never liked the idea of Spider being Redips. Spider has a lot of meaning in friends while Redips is the usual: "I don't know understand this "love" you speak of!!" It doesn't make much sense.

I still don't understand why Spider comited suicide when they could've just fiddled with the panel that the boss used to lock the door. I'm sure someone would've figured something out. =P

In any case the only way to get Spider back in your party is with a code breaker code. I never tested it as I don't have one, however.
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