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 Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: I-Robot and the Megaman Series |
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I-Robot was a movie i couldn't wait to see because it remined me of the Megaman Series and i will Explane how.
In the Original Megaman Series the Robots Could not Harm the Humans just like the Old Robots in the Movie I Robots that had Laws they had to live by
Law 1:A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being come to harm.
Law 2:A robot must obey orders given it by a human being except where such orders confilct with the first law.
Law 3:A Robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not confilct with the first or second law.
But when Dr. Alfred Lanning makes a Robot that can obey the three laws if it wanted to A.K.A a Reploid just like as Dr.Light made Megaman X to Obey the Law (a Robot must Never Harm a Human) if he wanted to and gave him the ability to think feel and make his decisions just like sunny in the movie. but just like in the movie thire is a Repoild that chooses that he/she will rule over the humans A.K.A VIKI/Sigma...
anyway im geting sleepy so i'll add some more info in the morning about this
but you can see how this movie and the Megaman/Megaman X Series are almost the same so post what you think about this movie and connection with the Megaman/Megaman X Series
Sunny = Repoild
Dr.Lanning = Dr.Light
Viki = Sigma
P.S Dont post if you have not seen the movie because you will not know what im talking about
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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I-Robot's 3 laws do not apply with the Rockman world. Simple as that. =P
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Geoff Mendicino wrote: | | I-Robot's 3 laws do not apply with the Rockman world. Simple as that. =P |
Exactly right. Mandi Paugh wrote a Musing on this sometime back... AH! There it is: http://www.mmhp.net/Commentaries/Musing24.html if you want the full length version.
The Laws of Robotics have absolutely nothing to do with Mega/RockMan. They were concepts used by Isaac Asimov for his stories, and for some reason people apply them to the MegaMan universe, or anything involving robots...
And Capcom themselves seem to have forgotten that with their X1 intro. But the laws just aren't for the MegaMan world.
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| If I recall correctly, Wily makes reference to the First Law of Robotics in the end of MegaMan 7. Beyond that I don't believe there are any other connections whatsoever. |
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:25 am Post subject: |
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He says robots can't hurt humans, but he would've done it. XP He also says robots can't lie in the cartoon's first episode, but he does it anyways.
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:18 am Post subject: |
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If the Three Laws actually did exist in MM, the robot masters would never have been able to do anything. The Three Laws were made to prevent a robot from using its superior abilities to tyrannize humans.
On a side note, you all know the First, Second, and Third laws. But do any of you know the Zeroth law? (Zeroth: The ordinal number matching the number 0 in a series.)
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| SamBarry wrote: | | But do any of you know the Zeroth law? (Zeroth: The ordinal number matching the number 0 in a series.) |
The Zeroth Law:
0. A robot may not injure humanity, or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm. |
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| SamBarry wrote: | If the Three Laws actually did exist in MM, the robot masters would never have been able to do anything. The Three Laws were made to prevent a robot from using its superior abilities to tyrannize humans.
On a side note, you all know the First, Second, and Third laws. But do any of you know the Zeroth law? (Zeroth: The ordinal number matching the number 0 in a series.) |
But then you can pull a 'Will Smith' on the game's ass by saying that the only way to preserve humans is to kill off/enslave humans. @_@ Perhaps that was Wily's real doing.
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i really wasnt talking about the Three Laws because the Megaman Series Didn't have three laws they only had one that i know of. I was talking about the Repoilds because sunny in the movie acts like one and the Computer Viki reminded me of Sigma and Dr.Lanning would be Dr.Light if you had to connect the movie to the Megaman X Series. because they same point they had in the movie Dr.Light had warned in his message on X's Capsule which was "if "X" were to break the first rule of robotics, "A robot must never harm a human being", the results would be disastrous and I fear that no force on Earth could stop him" and the message they have in the movie is "If a Robot didn't have to obey the Three they could harm a human being" which in both cases they would be going Maverick. so if you had to Compare the movie with the X Series it would look something like this
Sunny = Repoild
Dr.Lanning = Dr.Light
Viki = Sigma
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OK sir. First of all, it is "I, robot", not "I-robot". Second, I believe Inafune has mentioned he was inspired by the Robotic Laws in many interviews, or so I've heard. And by "inspired", he probably didn't mean turning Rockman into a carbon copy of one of Asimov's robots.
Oh, and the topic's the wrong forum, moving to the Rockman Square. :P
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...you didn't know "I, Robot" was a book written by Isaac Asimov? <_<; Sir, that's a classic.
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Dear XHunter17, next time you decide to start a new thread about some movie that has the slightest 'similarities' to Rockman, you should do some research about it PRIOR to making your statements. You can find many similarities to Rockman in several sources that are from being related to robotics for that matter.
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Mega Man X opening wrote: | | "X" IS THE FIRST OF A NEW GENERATION OF ROBOTS WHICH CONTAIN AN INNOVATIVE NEW FEATURE - THE ABILITY TO THINK, FEEL AND MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS. HOWEVER THIS ABILITY COULD BE VERY DANGEROUS. IF "X" WERE TO BREAK THE FIRST RULE OF ROBOTICS, "A ROBOT MUST NEVER HARM A HUMAN BEING", THE RESULTS WOULD BE DISASTROUS AND I FEAR THAT NO FORCE ON EARTH COULD STOP HIM. |
Nope, no mention of the Three Laws anywhere... :eyes:
And before someone says it, technically, for there to be a "first" law, there would have to be at least one other.
As far as applying, my understanding is that those laws have been adopted in many works of fiction, sort of like how stuff originated from Lord of the Rings has been utilized in other fantasy works.
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I believe that is the First Law is making an appearance, that the other probably float around in there as well. However, so many robots of the original series are not affected by them, since Wily could easly just omit that from their programming. And as to the the Laws of Robotics and their impact on the X Series, it's basically non-existant, since all Reploids, like Sonny in I, Robot, have the ability to choose.
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| PlaguedOne wrote: | | I believe that is the First Law is making an appearance, that the other probably float around in there as well. However, so many robots of the original series are not affected by them, since Wily could easly just omit that from their programming. And as to the the Laws of Robotics and their impact on the X Series, it's basically non-existant, since all Reploids, like Sonny in I, Robot, have the ability to choose. |
Pretty much. That's what lead to the story of the X series, it seems.
As it is, about half the robots, if not more(and not counting simpler mechs like Mettaurs and Bladers) were reprogrammed by Wily to do his bidding, and it seems that even some that were made by him, didn't necessarily want to be evil(as perhaps evidenced by Quick Man's sacrifice in Super Adventure Rockman).
However, with the simpler level of programming based on the Three Laws, they pretty much simply did as they were told.
And at the end of The Power Battles, Dr. Light realizes what it is robots need... the ability to determine right and wrong for themselves, without reliance on programming. Which seems to have been what lead to the creation of X, the first robot who could think, feel, and make his own decisions.
Of course, Wily found a way around this as well... like humans, Reploids are able to determine what is right and wrong by itself. But also like humans... there are ways to corrupt that ability, to influence it...
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If memory does serve me correctly, Wily probably never meant to have his robots actually kill people; he only wanted to wreak havoc in towns and neighborhoods. Also, the First Law says a robot cannot harm a human being...perhaps this means only harming them physically, in which enslaving them would be the loophole around this. Also, the robots follow the Second Law by obeying Wily's orders, as well as the third by defending their own existence against Rockman.
Although when a human as insane as Wily is involved, I'm not exactly sure how these laws would still apply. Anyway, in both the cases of I, Robot and Rockman, the robots were made to serve humans or created by humans, so this is the best explanation I can come up with. This probably includes Internet-based programs like Net Navis, too, perhaps...
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| Vanilla_Go_Rilla wrote: | | If memory does serve me correctly, Wily probably never meant to have his robots actually kill people; he only wanted to wreak havoc in towns and neighborhoods. Also, the First Law says a robot cannot harm a human being...perhaps this means only harming them physically, in which enslaving them would be the loophole around this. Also, the robots follow the Second Law by obeying Wily's orders, as well as the third by defending their own existence against Rockman. |
That's actually one of my favorite things of the NES era: interpretation that was open to your imagination.
I doubt his tactics were too dissimilar from what he's done in the X series with the virus, and as we know, countless lives have been lost there.
Classic just has more of a Saturday morning spin on it.
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The way I see it, the robot laws are never stated in Rockman but there are many places where they are implied such as the X series with the whole maverick thing. Those robots were designed to have free will and therefore can break the laws of robotics.
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