[Access] What happen to Navis after Soul Unison?

RZetlin · Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 16

I have been watching the Rockman Access episodes out of order.

What happens to a Navis after the Soul Unison with Rockman?

Are the Navis (Metalman, Numberman,etc.) destroyed during the process?

TheWebbuilder · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:

They seperate and then MegaMan and the other Navi go their seperate ways.

Just look at the Soul Unison episode. You clearly hear SearchMan talking to Raika after the unison occured and ended, therefore they just seperated and walked away unharmed.

Or if you need more proof, look at Roll Soul. Roll's still around and they unisoned first didn't they?
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DanSidney · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject:

Or even better, FireSoul. Fireman and Rock fight together.
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Tachyon360 · Le Croissant Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 740

There's a little concept common in anime and anime-like games called Zero Space. It's an abstract concept that defines a realm where an infinite amount of matter can be stored or retrieved. Basically, it's a fancy term for minor plot holes where objects keep disappearing, reappearing, and/or changing in size/shape inexplicably.

Ever wonder how pokéballs do their thing? What about where the Wing Zero Custom's twin buster rifle goes when it's not in use?

The Navis that disappear in Soul Unisons go into Zero Space. Navis that stay simply stay.

JIC: I didn't coin the term Zero Space. It's been used before, just not commonly. So to all you anime purists out there, there are no grounds for a flame.

Lido Azn Girl · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject:

Not all the Net Navis disappears, though. For example, Windman and Junkman didn't diasppear.
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Slifer. EXE · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject:

Usually the navis that disappear are damaged, maybe they log-out.
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Elementalman.EXE · Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:51 am Post subject:

Meh. Usually it how the Animator was feeling on the day it was produced. If he wanted them to fuse, they fuse, If not, the didn't

Also it's Axess.
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TheWebbuilder · Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:

Well, if you want the fanfic concept...

There are two kinds of Soul Unisons, Fusion Unisons and Copy Unisons. In Fusion Unison, the two Navi literally merge into a new Navi the first time the unison occurs; in Copy unison, MegaMan just mimics the other Navi's abilities and armor. Fusion Unisons are more powerful than Copy Unisons but require a greater level of friendship to pull off, which is why Fusion Unisons usually occur after another Navi saves MegaMan: by saving him, they show the high level of friendship they possess.

That's my general idea as to why the fuse or don't fuse.
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Tachyon360 · Le Croissant Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 740

You're looking way too far into it. It's just the cliché Zero Space plot hole.

RZetlin · Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 16

I was able to watch several video clips of the Soul Unison and the results varies with each Navi.

When Rockman performed Soul Unison with Fireman, Aquaman and Windman, these Navis just gave their powers to Rockman and they were still standing beside Rockman after the Soul Unison transformation.

In the case with Numberman, Metalman and Searchman, these Navis were absorbed into Rockman.

The communication with Searchman and Laika suggest the Navis exist after the Soul Unison technique.

**Sketch** · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:41 am Post subject:

Yes...a navi doesn't die after a soul unison...what would give you that idea? .-.
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yo_asakura · Net Battler Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 57

imho proto soul is the most powerful unision in the series and it was a copy unision ?

we´ll in the cyber world everything is data and data can be copyed and modified

i think of rockman´s soul unision a a big folder who can store large amounts of data (even complete navis if nessesary)
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Tachyon360 · Le Croissant Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 740

Please, please, for the love of God (or Allah, Buddha, Shiba, or whatever you believe in), post like a human being! This is a forum, not a text chat. You have time to type things out properly. Use it.

-Take the breif moment to decide whether your post is revelvent before even typing it. What does Blues' merging with Rockman (or lack thereof) have anything to do with the (frankly pointless) topic of whether Navis are destroyed in the process of Soul Unison?

-Use proper grammar, spelling, and word usage. IMO/IMHO in a question is inappropriate. You're asking a question, not stating an opinion. Using "we'll" in place of "well" is also not appropriate, because the former means "we will." These are but two examples.

-Please, do not, under any circumstances, you take someone's fan speculation/fiction as fact. To cite one example, just because TheWebbuilder coined the terms "Copy Unison" and "Fusion Unison" does not mean they are fact. They are his personal musings, and unless the discussion is totally not serious or if you want a certain level of descriptiveness, they should be left as such.

So, to sum it all up:
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TriggerEXE · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:

Yes it varies. Though I believe I've heard that in the manga when a Soul Unison occurrs the navi being unisoned with goes into a coma-like state. I need varification on this though because I have not seen this far into the manga, I've only just heard it. ^^;
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Rocketboy · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:51 am Post subject:

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**Sketch** · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:43 pm Post subject:

Windman only had one apperance and that was in Axess.
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Enzan Chaud · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject:

There's an anime that makes fun of this whole speculation in a way. Ever seen FLCL? Whenever Naota is absorbed by Canti he goes, literally into Zero Space and Canti becomes his 'brain', Yet Canti acts seprate from Naota. Now think of Soul Unisions the same way. The navi is absorbed by Rockman and they go into zero space while whatever abilities they have become Rockman's! Rockman acts seprate from the Navi. whoopdedoo...that was so hard to explain...

Any other ideas are just trying too hard to explain something so easy. The whole process can simply be summed up with Zero Space and an example.
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RLinksoul · Net Savior Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 186

It seems that when Megaman absorbs a navi,it happens either because himself or the navi is injured "as with Roll and Metalman and it didn't happen to Aquaman".And when he no longer needs the Soul Unison power,the navi is returned to its operator,though they never show it.