What's the story with Rush? Could anyone explain?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject: What's the story with Rush? Could anyone explain? Reply with quote

so...what's up with Rush, why can he come to the real world?
I know he can summon virusses in the digital world but the rest is pretty vague to me
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the second season of the original show, Rush gained the ability to come into the real world during the episode in which a virus broke out which turned all Navis it came across into nekos (I could be wrong on it transforming every navi, as I have not really seen this episode). This led to a spoof of Godzilla in the sense that the Neko virus also founds itself in the real world, and it was as tall as Godzilla. after that, they just decided to have Rush keep the ability to come into the real world.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats a good question I don't know it either but he was helpfull in ep 28 of stream
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was just a random occurance, that something in Rush's code just happened to change unexpectedly and inexplicably that allowed him to physically project himself into the real world one way or another. Apparently the Neko virus gained a similar ability, and apparently both viruses had an innate safeguard that prevented them from growing too big, which ended up getting scrambled, allowing Rush to grow bigger than even Asteroid Navis.

I could very well be wrong, though, and it's very likely something intentionally installed in Rush without much explanation. The explanations in that episode were vague and the translation confusing (no offense to the translators).

If that's the case though, WTF are they using Dimensional Areas for? Why not make a batch of modified Synchro Chips with the system that allows Rush to appear in the real world, instead of screwing around with Dimensional Converters, Dimensional, and even the Rush Synchro Chip itself?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I though he was a program created by Dr.Hikari, but the comming to the real world without area is confusing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same applies to Rockman's SoulUnison. Why not just studying Rock's ability to copy souls? In Axess #4, after Rock got damaged by Roll's Aquatower, Yuichiro tried to analyze Rock's core, but his data was unanalyzable. I suppose that's pretty much same to the "modified" Rush. And the reason why Rush could grow was the thunder's energy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember reading somewhere that [spoil:bde9d8eb6d]Rush was a virus program that could somehow summon virii by opening wormholes that allowed virii to come through. He is also able to project himself into the real world with a type of holographic technology or something along those lines.[/spoil:bde9d8eb6d]
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no evidence that Rush synchro chip can or cannot allow cross fusion outside of a dimensional area, so far if that is possible it haven't been shown at all. All we have is Shademan being able to materialize without one. But keep in mind Shademan it's a fully independent navi that can come and go through the net and the digital enviroment of the dimensional areas. Navis like Rockman, Blues, Searchman or Roll cannot materialize in the real world through dimensional areas -How did they materialize in the real world at the end of EXE seems to be a completely different issue-, if that was the case, Cross Fussion wouldn't exist because Navis wouldn't need the human body to 'materialize'.

In any case, there's no real answer for the question about why Rush can appear on the real world and make a link to the digital world at his will. We can think of several theories but in the end it has never been explained officially in the anime.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Netbattler_Kev wrote:
I though he was a program created by Dr.Hikari, but the comming to the real world without area is confusing.
Rush was made by Yuuichirou, but as far as I can tell, the ability to materialize was not his doing.

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There's no evidence that Rush synchro chip can or cannot allow cross fusion outside of a dimensional area, so far if that is possible it haven't been shown at all.
Actually, it has been shown. Refer to episode 28. [spoil:8fed29ee07]Meiru was able to maintain Cross Fusion even after the Dimensional Area dissipated[/spoil:8fed29ee07], whereas Netto fell out of CF right away.

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Navis like Rockman, Blues, Searchman or Roll cannot materialize in the real world through dimensional areas
It's a matter of finding the Dimensional Converter on the Net and going through it. Cross Fusion increases the Navi's destructive power, so it would be pointless to send a navi into a DA when the operator has a Synchro Chip. As for none of the protagonist Navis entering a DA, Searchman was able to use his warp gun to disable one of the Darkloids' DCs, and Dark Blues frequently used them.

About the last episode of RM.EXE vanilla, they were able to appear thanks to the Dimensional Core experiment, which ultimately led to the development of the Dimensional Area. They're pretty similar technologies. I don't see how a Navi would need to be independent to appear in a Dimensional Area.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not enterely sure about the Rush Synchro Chip's ability to hold the CF without a dimensional area still, what we saw in the Episode 28 doesn't give away too much to make a judgement, as we know EXE is famous for its plot holes, we'd need to see it being used without a dimensional area to be totally sure.

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Cross Fusion increases the Navi's destructive power, so it would be pointless to send a navi into a DA when the operator has a Synchro Chip.


Why Laika didn't send Searchman into the dimensional area then? o_o Or Why Roll never plugged into the DA to help Meiru and Netto? Why nobody thought about plugging Rockman into the DAs when Burnerman was stealing rare metal instead of bothering so much into making Netto go through the DA?

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I don't see how a Navi would need to be independent to appear in a Dimensional Area.


Because if they could, they would have already? there had been many oportunities for several operated navis to plug into the DAs and we've only seen the Darkloids/Independent navis do such. Again, seems like a plot hole they could be in the real world through the Cod Dimension, and seriously if they could, what stops Netto and Rockman of ever spending some time together inside the dimensional area? Especially after Rockman has mentioned how envious he was of Rush being able to be in the real world with Netto.

All in all, we can only throw in theories, but hardly any of us holds the 'key' to say exactly what can happen or how X things that aren't fully explained on the anime already.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a matter of just plugging in. That would be really and utterly stupid on Neubla's part. "Hey, let's make our converters so that they can be directly accessed! It's not like the Net Saviors would actually plug in if they figured out how." Adding plug-in sensors or widely broadcasting how to find the converters on the Net would be the next best thing to suicide.

If you'd refer to the Axess episode 18, it took Searchman a while to find the DA. Also, in the last episode of Axess, in order to gain access to Regal's huge converter, they needed to locate the thing first, then crack the encryption scheme, and that took a nice chunk of the episode even with Searchman's abilities (and that includes the Search Soul). Without the Search ability, by the time they'd figure out how to transmit Navis, the battle would be long over.

As for Laika sending Searchman in, what would be the point? It's much, much quicker and more effective to fire off a shot than to run into the DA, especially considering Searchman is designed for that kind of combat.

I don't mean to sound stuck-up, but some things aren't that hard to figure out and don't need to be explicitly described in the anime. Many of the supposed plot holes just need a bit of thinking to sort out.

As for the Rush Synchro Chip, I really don't see a point to it if it's not meant for extra-DA use. I got the idea that Mejin was researching new ways to counter materialized Asteroid Navis on shorter notice and figured Shademan's version of the Synchro Chip would be a good place to start.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It certainly wasn't explained in episode 41. The translation is confusing because it's quite literal, but I'm afraid there was next to no detail given about why Godzilla-Rush was stomping around.

I do recall something about Rush 'projecting' himself as a hologram, but I can't remember whether it was said in an episode, or something I read in a fanfic. I'll do a search of my scripts, in any case.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely not a hologram. Netto even questioned that himself, but since he could touch him he was definitely there. Also, in AXESS 1, Chisao was standing on Rush, or vise versa (I forgot which). My personal opinion as to why he appeared in the real world is from some reaction to the Neko virus. Rush is technically a virus and even the virii in episode 41 were affected by the virus. I'm thinking that since Rush is a dog type virus, he had a different affect from the virus than the other virii did... Of course, even Yuuichirou didn't know why he was in the real world >.>;. He obviously has the ability to travel through the Net and the real world, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't they say in 41 that Rush's projected form isn't actually a hologram?

*Checks.*

Oh. Netto said (according to to the subtitles), "A hologram...? No... it's not..."

And then later on, Yuuichirou said, "A hologram? The Neko virus had this kind of ability? Maybe Rush's hologram abilities came from that Neko virus..."

It seems to me like Rush's ability is not a hologram in the true sense of the word, but they just call it that for lack of a better term.


Edit: Eh, MSZ sorta beat me to it. Oh well.
(BTW, MSZ, it's viruses, not virii.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tachyon360 wrote:
(BTW, MSZ, it's viruses, not virii.)


Either is correct, since in the English language plurals of words ending in "us" are "ii", most of the time. Virii is used less, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a common misconception. Not all words ending in "us" can use that plural form. Look up the word "virus" in a dictionary, only one plural form should be listed there. It's viruses.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master Swordsman Zero wrote:
Either is correct, since in the English language plurals of words ending in "us" are "ii", most of the time. Virii is used less, though.
I hear that all too often.

Most words derived directly from Latin end in "i" for the plural form. There are many, however, that use "es" instead. Virus is one example and one of the most frequently misused. There is no such word as "virii." In English, it is "viruses."
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the English lessons somewhere else and keep on topic. I don't care who of you knows how to use dictionary.com

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Tachyon360 wrote:
Master Swordsman Zero wrote:
Either is correct, since in the English language plurals of words ending in "us" are "ii", most of the time. Virii is used less, though.
I hear that all too often.

Most words derived directly from Latin end in "i" for the plural form. There are many, however, that use "es" instead. Virus is one example and one of the most frequently misused. There is no such word as "virii." In English, it is "viruses."



It was virii in my biology textbook. ;P The word has become disused, I hear.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tachyon360 wrote:
Didn't they say in 41 that Rush's projected form isn't actually a hologram?

*Checks.*

Oh. Netto said (according to to the subtitles), "A hologram...? No... it's not..."

And then later on, Yuuichirou said, "A hologram? The Neko virus had this kind of ability? Maybe Rush's hologram abilities came from that Neko virus..."

It seems to me like Rush's ability is not a hologram in the true sense of the word, but they just call it that for lack of a better term.


Edit: Eh, MSZ sorta beat me to it. Oh well.
(BTW, MSZ, it's viruses, not virii.)

I dont remember him saying that, but I haven't seen that episode in a while. What part of the episode is that in?
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