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railracer express Soul Unison
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 771
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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what about now? Is needleman still bad? why didn't Yuriko become crazy as the other guy who used the dark chip? _________________ Avatar by May, many flowers and thanks for the wonderful avatar. |
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CrossFusionStarman Seras Victoria owns me
Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 1723 Location: Glomping Seras
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamvirus:
...I am now officially afraid of your lust for darkchips. I kid, I kid. I just think if you have to turn to something you know will corrupt you (Or something you know is evil) just to win, you're pretty pathetic. You're better off running and keeping your sanity and mind. _________________ EXEHQ. Click now, I demand it.
NT Champions. Click!
SERAS VICTORIA OWNS MY SOUL |
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Wackoguy Net Savior
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 141 Location: On your head! WHEE!!
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Someone's going off the deep end.... :eyes:
Anyway,I'd probably use darkchips,for a paperweight or as a replacement for something around the house.
And if the MMBN world was reality,it'd be like that old Pringles jingle ("Once you pop you can't stop"). If you use one,you'll want more and more...
Yeah,no darkchips for me,they eat away at a navi's soul,anyway,right? _________________ "When it rains,it pours. When it pours,get out of the rain." -quoth me!
Megaman Melee! HUTTAH and HUZZAH!
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Plantman It's only Forever... Not long at all!
Age: 44 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1819 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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You'd think, like with any person, the amount of chips that takes for a darkloid to be corrupted and damaged is different for each navi. Needleman was already 'evil' so to speak, but doesn't mean it would prevent him, necesarily from having side effects.
I'd think Needleman was made especifically to resist to a degree the influence of the Dark Chips. I'd think Regal designed and programmed Needleman and had the effects of dark chips in mind when he did, because Needleman retains his loyalty to Yuriko and has a level of synchronization with her under any circumstances.
As for why Yuriko didn't go crazy... [spoil:de67871a16]She's somewhat of an enhanced human, by Duo's doing. So she can stand the dark power just fine.[/spoil:de67871a16]
We saw Beastman go through Dark Chips like they were candy, and there's no evidence that could prove neither Desertman or Flashman didn't use just as many when we 'didn't see them'. Either Needleman was designed to resist the Dark Chips -and he barely seemed to require dark chips to fight any ways- or the Dark Chips used on him were different. I wouldn't doubt Regal might have his stash of 'light' Dark Chips for his personal use _________________ Hecha en MÉXICO - Avatar by Me.
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CrossFusionStarman Seras Victoria owns me
Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 1723 Location: Glomping Seras
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Geez, Darkchips are starting to sound like narcotics, alochol, and cigarettes. Think of it, they both make people insane. _________________ EXEHQ. Click now, I demand it.
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Plantman It's only Forever... Not long at all!
Age: 44 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1819 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think some people have made that analogy before about Dark Chips being like drugs for Navis in the past. The grow addicted to them if used in excess I suppose. _________________ Hecha en MÉXICO - Avatar by Me.
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Dreamvirus
Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 34 Location: World 3 Server
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Eh heh heh. what if I designed my Navi to resist Darkchip pull? Like needleman! As for being an enhanced human....either I've got to see a meteor about some power or else I'll be fine on my own. Besides who cares how pathetic the loser thinks you are? :] As long as you win...no matter what the expense. Darkchips in MMBN: one person told me who cares how much HP you loose when you can delete everything before they can react!? How bout that? Trust me the Dark Power is worth the drain _________________ The fight against evil is pointless. In the end, we all know that evil shall prevail. I exist only to pull you into the shadows. Come with me and embrace the darkness! |
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Plantman It's only Forever... Not long at all!
Age: 44 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1819 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamvirus wrote: | What if I designed my Navi to resist Darkchip pull? Like needleman! |
This isn't the fan-area, I still don't see why you keep bringing up your fan-navi and what things you could do to it regarding dark chips. Also, you'd need to know how dark chips really work to be able to design your navi to resist them. As I said, my theory was that Needleman was made by Regal, since he created the dark chips he'd know how to counteract them within the Navi's systems.
As for 'what's matters the expense as long as you win', that's up to each person. But like everything that grants an enourmous power the drawn is often pricey. Outside of the Battle Network enviroment, since that pertains to the Games section, would be worth to loose your navi in exchange for a power you wouldn't even get to control afterwards? What's the point of giving him power if you're going to lose it? That's of course if you had any kind of attachment to your Navi. If not, you could just buy another one after you screw the first.
The main 'message' given through the anime is that the Dark Chips separate the Operators from their Navis, and the attachment, if there's any is the worst of the anguish. _________________ Hecha en MÉXICO - Avatar by Me.
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meggirl63 banned onoes :<
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 1181
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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I can see your point, Plantman. In fact, I seem to understand your point quite well after I watch the episode "Dark Secret". _________________
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Dreamvirus
Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 34 Location: World 3 Server
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Well when you put it like that...I'd never dream of ruining our bonds. Also doesn't the effect of the Darkchips depend on how strong your Navis soul is? If your strong enough you can resist the pull? True or false. But back to what Plantman said. There probably isnt anything worse than loosing Navi bonds. But if you souls are strong enough, you should be able to resist pull... _________________ The fight against evil is pointless. In the end, we all know that evil shall prevail. I exist only to pull you into the shadows. Come with me and embrace the darkness! |
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mysticgohan Net Official
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 324 Location: Preparing for my next battle...
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Thats not really true since Blues had a strong bond with Enzan and he was currupted. |
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Aero
Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 21 Location: Somewhere following Forte!
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Okay, in my opinion, my theory is that Regal first designed the dark chips, in which next he found a worhty, strong candidate (Yuriko, anyone?). Then he tested her on indurance from the dark chips, in which she passed seeing as [spoil:0a5afd4993][spoil]she was ressurected by Duo.[/spoil:0a5afd4993][/spoil] Next, Regal used the data from the dark chip to design Needleman, in which he can withstand the dark chips because he is made from the same data. Does that sound logical? My theory still has enormous flaws...
Anyways, about using dark chips? If I had a navi, it would be Forte! He wouldn't need dark chips because he is strong on his own (I'm talking about manga strong!!!! :grr: ) and I would never wish to sever any bonds between us. Dark chips corrupt, that is obvious, and anyone (in my opinion) who uses them must resent their navis and wish for them to be corrupted. Like in the anime, Chaud used it because he was stupid, if he was smart, he would've initiated double soul, protosoul in the beginning instead of using a dark chip to corrode his best friend in an attempt to kill someone who gets killed by his program of doublesoul. Also, look at the facts. [spoil:0a5afd4993] Lans dad, doctor Hikari, said that even if your navi is deleted, you can revive him using his frame and data.[/spoil:0a5afd4993] So, why corrupt your navi and lose him for good, when you and your navi can work together, and if he gets deleted, just revive him. I mean, [spoil:0a5afd4993]They managed to revive Megaman, Gutsman, and Protoman (after the dark chip thing.) with no problem, surely they can do anyone else.[/spoil:0a5afd4993]
So in short, when you are in a rough spot, and you know your navi's gonna lose, wouldn't it be better just reviving him when he gets deleted, instead of using a dark chip, slicing your bond deleting your navi from corruption, and losing him for good? I would never use one, I would never sever my connection with my navi.
(p.s.) Mods and people, please forgive me for the long statement. ^_^
:grr: :grr: Forte forever!!! :grr: :grr: _________________
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Haly K Cross Fusion!
Age: 32 Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 1022 Location: Somewhere, practicing with Flash animation
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:40 am Post subject: |
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To Aero: Tecnically, a Navi CAN be revieved, but all of their memory banks will be erased. Which is why most Net Ops make a big deal over their Navi's deletion. -.- I guess back in EXE, MegaMan was a special case in which he couldn't be revieved that easily. :eyes: _________________ MegaMan Kilobit
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forte42 Net Battler
Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 96
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:42 am Post subject: |
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"the power you have has been given to you, anyone who has to borrow power is not worthy of my attention"-saiyuki, Hamura
I don't need a dark chip to give me power i have enuff power to smash anything that stands in my way with out using it besides i don't think that those cheap dark chips would give me much more power a real dark chip though thats diffrent (im refering to the dark aura chip form megaman bn 3 thats a true dark chip that has real power not like these cheap ones) |
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Plantman It's only Forever... Not long at all!
Age: 44 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1819 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Dreamvirus wrote: | But if you souls are strong enough, you should be able to resist pull... |
You're just looking for alternatives to do it. There's no way to resist the so-called 'pull' anime wise. [spoil:232f849551]When Blues was infected and corrupted by the dark chips he required a vaccination chip to counteract it, and the cooperative work of both Netto and Enzan since the dark power had hosted deeply within Blues.[/spoil:232f849551]
Look for all excuses, but the truth is, if you're willing to risk your Navi's sake for power, I doubt your bond will be 'strong enough' for him/her to try and resist the dark chips. _________________ Hecha en MÉXICO - Avatar by Me.
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Dreamvirus
Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 34 Location: World 3 Server
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject: Plantman The Persuasive |
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Ok OK (sighs) geez Plantman you make me sound like Chilsky from MMBN4 a little. You are a very convincing person so now that you've persuaded me...forget Darkchips man they stink! I can still win a Netbattle without those stupid things! Bring it on! :] Continue posting your thoughts on Darkchips folks. (Destroying bonds between operator and Navi... what was I thinking? Forte doesn't use Darkchips to get his Dark-Bases Powers! I'll do what he does but keep my sanity and not hate humans) |
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SuperDanny Net Savior
Joined: 27 Mar 2005 Posts: 142 Location: In my room... pretending to do Cross Fusion.
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah... there's a good point... [spoil:e8348d0135]Vaccine Chips! Do you think by the time of the Stream episodes that the Vaccine Chip actually can fully counter the Dark Chip side effects? It worked wonders on Rockman when he was going nuts... if I could fix my navi with a Vaccine Chip, then I would at least be able to have some hope for my navi after giving him/her a Dark Chip...[/spoil:e8348d0135]. _________________
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Aero
Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 21 Location: Somewhere following Forte!
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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To Haly K: Thank you, for that is true. But the dark chip has even more worse effects, like making them forget stuff and having their data/ frame eroded. Hmm, vaccine chips huh? I don't see them on the screen caps... I need a picture of one... _________________
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Plantman It's only Forever... Not long at all!
Age: 44 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1819 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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[spoil:d4d0a20099]The vaccine chip was only mentioned again when it was used on Rockman. I'm not sure but seems like the vaccine chip doesn't work under 'normal' circumstances as easily as just 'slot a new chip in'. So it would probably need your navi to be tracked down and taken to Sci-lab for it to be used.[/spoil:d4d0a20099] _________________ Hecha en MÉXICO - Avatar by Me.
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YurikoOtaku Net Agent
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 272
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Aero wrote: | [ Like in the anime, Chaud used it because he was stupid, if he was smart, he would've initiated double soul, protosoul in the beginning instead of using a dark chip to corrode his best friend in an attempt to kill someone who gets killed by his program of doublesoul. |
Enzan didn't want to,he had to to save their lives. |
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