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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Do you consider these cheats? Reply with quote

Cheating to get Hubbat., FCR or any other thing that isn't in the American version?

NCP Compression.

Do you consider all of that fair?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you use a game altering device (action replay, gameshark, etc), then it's cheating as far as I'm concerned. Program compression is a normal part of the game, and is fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uhh, hubbat is in the american version, or at least mine it is.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's talking about BN5.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you use a game altering device (action replay, gameshark, etc), then it's cheating as far as I'm concerned. Program compression is a normal part of the game, and is fine.


Even if theirs NO way to obtain it and its not an unreasonly powerful device?

Its another MEW story. I consider cheating to get MEW fair as long as you dont start him out at LVL99 or alter his states with cheats.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if there's no other way, the dubbers prolly didn't want you having it in the first place, so...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, if there's no other way, the dubbers prolly didn't want you having it in the first place, so...


That doesn't apply in this case. In this case it was a disregard for the American Consumer.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you use a game altering device (action replay, gameshark, etc), then it's cheating as far as I'm concerned. Program compression is a normal part of the game, and is fine.


Even if theirs NO way to obtain it and its not an unreasonly powerful device?

To be frank, yes. I still fully believe that EXE games should be able to detect cheat devices and delete your game saves in response.

Now, there are varying levels of cheating, and cheating to gain something that is available to Japanese players and not to non-Japanese players is not all -that- bad. Just don't expect me to battle against you, since I choose not to use cheat devices.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you use a game altering device (action replay, gameshark, etc), then it's cheating as far as I'm concerned. Program compression is a normal part of the game, and is fine.


Even if theirs NO way to obtain it and its not an unreasonly powerful device?

To be frank, yes. I still fully believe that EXE games should be able to detect cheat devices and delete your game saves in response.

Now, there are varying levels of cheating, and cheating to gain something that is available to Japanese players and not to non-Japanese players is not all -that- bad. Just don't expect me to battle against you, since I choose not to use cheat devices.


I can understand your dislike for cheats, I refuse to play with people who cheat on Pokemon (unless they put in a reasonable cheat for MEW, or something else unobtainable).

When going up against someone that doesn't have a cheating device to get the (resonable) items/weapons/etc doesn't seem all that fair, but if they aren't planning on using the item anyway then I would say its fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doc_2 wrote:

I can understand your dislike for cheats, I refuse to play with people who cheat on Pokemon (unless they put in a reasonable cheat for MEW, or something else unobtainable).

Mew is already obtainable in the classic Red and Blue in case you didn't know.

I find nothing wrong with using things like GameShark or AR. There's some things that cannot be obtainable so people have no choice but to cheat. Others cheat mainly because they can't beat a game. :/
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that uing an AR or Gameshark is fine if you've beatn' the game and just want to get the most out of your game. I mean if SCR isnt available in the NA version of MMBN 5 for DS (for example), then buy all means go shark it. Games are for amusing you and if you get more play time out of you game buy "cheating" then go for it but if people still want to battle you after that, thats their choice.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To an extent. If it's something that was normally accessible in the original game, I think so . . . Of course, I shpose you could import the game and get it, but if it's one of those things that you get in events that don't even happen here. Of course, those're usually not NEEDED in the game.

The way I see it, cheat all you want, but then you deserve no credit. I remember my friend used to brag when he beat me in games, but he always cheated. Of course eventually I got really good and slaughtered him, but yeah. But if it's something just used at your own leisure that doesn't really accomplish anything I don't see a problem with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd classify cheating to get event exclusives and such as "permissible cheating." It's forgivable, since it's not as if you're cheating to give yourself some unreasonably fair advantage. Unless you're hacking for a Bass GS chip or something. But if you're doing that it's not like you're going to be a formidable opponent anyhow.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't even get Hub/Saito Batch in the Japanese version without cheating Sad. I agree with Malinhion, though. Cheating to get something exclusive like FCR would be "Permissible Cheating" since there's no other way you could get it. As long as your 'ill gotten' BCM doesn't have 9999 HP then I'm fine with it. The Ereader cards might be another story though.... Since in 5 there's a way to get those with cheating as well. I suppose if you don't exceed 80MB with your ill-gotten cards then it's fine too, huh?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PlaguedOne wrote:
Now, there are varying levels of cheating, and cheating to gain something that is available to Japanese players and not to non-Japanese players is not all -that- bad. Just don't expect me to battle against you, since I choose not to use cheat devices.


So does that mean if I had FCR, SaitoBat, and several other E-Mods equipped, you wouldn't battle me?

And on my opinion of cheating: I think it's VERY bad to do it if you haven't beaten the game. And cheats like Have All Chips and Invincibility aren't fun because they take away the challenge. However, if you've already beaten the game, It's fine with me. And getting exclusive event items (Gospel, GatemanSP, Punk, ForteGS, FCR, ForteXX, and anything else I've forgotten) is fine by me. As long as your regular memory and HP isn't RIDICULOUSLY high, I have absolutely no problems at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know these two people who both had 9999 hp in bn3 and their charged busters did 999 damage. Hardly anyone wanted to battle them except each other.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like cheating myself, but I though in BN 5 DS FCR was open to both players...

anyway, i never had a case of cheating (unless er well, i never cheated in my life).

I'll stop now.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheats should only be used to obtain the unobtainable. Nothing else.

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BN 1 needed Forte (which sucked badly regardless of high ATK). BN 2 needed Gateman SP, and the 4 elemental Gospel chips. BN 3 needed ForteGS (Black/Blue needed Punk as well). BN 4 needed Grandprix Challenge and Duo (not sure about Final Gun). BN 5 needed Leaders Raid and Nebula Grey (also not sure about Final Gun for this one).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PlaguedOne wrote:
Now, there are varying levels of cheating, and cheating to gain something that is available to Japanese players and not to non-Japanese players is not all -that- bad. Just don't expect me to battle against you, since I choose not to use cheat devices.


So does that mean if I had FCR, SaitoBat, and several other E-Mods equipped, you wouldn't battle me?


That is correct. I should not have to own and use a cheat device in order to battle you on fair terms.

How exactly do you define "rediculously high"? Is hacking your HP up to 5000 okay? 2000? 1050? I say 'no' to all. *shrug*
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PlaguedOne wrote:
How exactly do you define "rediculously high"? Is hacking your HP up to 5000 okay? 2000? 1050? I say 'no' to all. *shrug*


How is 2000 and 1050 concidered a cheat? That amount of HP is possible in the game without cheats.

I still want to know if FRC is open to both players in BN 5...
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