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Doc_2 Net Battler
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: Do you consider these cheats? |
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Cheating to get Hubbat., FCR or any other thing that isn't in the American version?
NCP Compression.
Do you consider all of that fair? _________________ Card Captor Sakura fan?
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PlaguedOne a.k.a. Pyo
Age: 42 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1227 Location: The Eye of Terror
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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If you use a game altering device (action replay, gameshark, etc), then it's cheating as far as I'm concerned. Program compression is a normal part of the game, and is fine. _________________ (\ ºvº\ (\
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cruddpuppet [reo sux] Guest
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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uhh, hubbat is in the american version, or at least mine it is. |
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Flame Buster FLAMBE
Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 843 Location: hard to tell, I keep moving
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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He's talking about BN5. _________________
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Doc_2 Net Battler
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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PlaguedOne wrote: | If you use a game altering device (action replay, gameshark, etc), then it's cheating as far as I'm concerned. Program compression is a normal part of the game, and is fine. |
Even if theirs NO way to obtain it and its not an unreasonly powerful device?
Its another MEW story. I consider cheating to get MEW fair as long as you dont start him out at LVL99 or alter his states with cheats. _________________ Card Captor Sakura fan?
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Flame Buster FLAMBE
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if there's no other way, the dubbers prolly didn't want you having it in the first place, so... _________________
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Doc_2 Net Battler
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Flame Buster wrote: | Well, if there's no other way, the dubbers prolly didn't want you having it in the first place, so... |
That doesn't apply in this case. In this case it was a disregard for the American Consumer. _________________ Card Captor Sakura fan?
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PlaguedOne a.k.a. Pyo
Age: 42 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1227 Location: The Eye of Terror
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Doc_2 wrote: | PlaguedOne wrote: | If you use a game altering device (action replay, gameshark, etc), then it's cheating as far as I'm concerned. Program compression is a normal part of the game, and is fine. |
Even if theirs NO way to obtain it and its not an unreasonly powerful device? |
To be frank, yes. I still fully believe that EXE games should be able to detect cheat devices and delete your game saves in response.
Now, there are varying levels of cheating, and cheating to gain something that is available to Japanese players and not to non-Japanese players is not all -that- bad. Just don't expect me to battle against you, since I choose not to use cheat devices. _________________ (\ ºvº\ (\
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Doc_2 Net Battler
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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PlaguedOne wrote: | Doc_2 wrote: | PlaguedOne wrote: | If you use a game altering device (action replay, gameshark, etc), then it's cheating as far as I'm concerned. Program compression is a normal part of the game, and is fine. |
Even if theirs NO way to obtain it and its not an unreasonly powerful device? |
To be frank, yes. I still fully believe that EXE games should be able to detect cheat devices and delete your game saves in response.
Now, there are varying levels of cheating, and cheating to gain something that is available to Japanese players and not to non-Japanese players is not all -that- bad. Just don't expect me to battle against you, since I choose not to use cheat devices. |
I can understand your dislike for cheats, I refuse to play with people who cheat on Pokemon (unless they put in a reasonable cheat for MEW, or something else unobtainable).
When going up against someone that doesn't have a cheating device to get the (resonable) items/weapons/etc doesn't seem all that fair, but if they aren't planning on using the item anyway then I would say its fine. _________________ Card Captor Sakura fan?
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Broken Goggles Net Agent
Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 280 Location: I'm still in a dream
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Doc_2 wrote: |
I can understand your dislike for cheats, I refuse to play with people who cheat on Pokemon (unless they put in a reasonable cheat for MEW, or something else unobtainable).
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Mew is already obtainable in the classic Red and Blue in case you didn't know.
I find nothing wrong with using things like GameShark or AR. There's some things that cannot be obtainable so people have no choice but to cheat. Others cheat mainly because they can't beat a game. :/ _________________
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fusionman
Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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I find that uing an AR or Gameshark is fine if you've beatn' the game and just want to get the most out of your game. I mean if SCR isnt available in the NA version of MMBN 5 for DS (for example), then buy all means go shark it. Games are for amusing you and if you get more play time out of you game buy "cheating" then go for it but if people still want to battle you after that, thats their choice. |
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Pitchums REO's #1 Yuna Fanboy
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 808 Location: On Terra Serving Miss Yuna
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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To an extent. If it's something that was normally accessible in the original game, I think so . . . Of course, I shpose you could import the game and get it, but if it's one of those things that you get in events that don't even happen here. Of course, those're usually not NEEDED in the game.
The way I see it, cheat all you want, but then you deserve no credit. I remember my friend used to brag when he beat me in games, but he always cheated. Of course eventually I got really good and slaughtered him, but yeah. But if it's something just used at your own leisure that doesn't really accomplish anything I don't see a problem with it. _________________ I think it's time to say goodbye. |
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Malinhion
Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 29
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I'd classify cheating to get event exclusives and such as "permissible cheating." It's forgivable, since it's not as if you're cheating to give yourself some unreasonably fair advantage. Unless you're hacking for a Bass GS chip or something. But if you're doing that it's not like you're going to be a formidable opponent anyhow. _________________
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JunkmanSP Colonel of Junking up
Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 656
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:40 am Post subject: |
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You can't even get Hub/Saito Batch in the Japanese version without cheating . I agree with Malinhion, though. Cheating to get something exclusive like FCR would be "Permissible Cheating" since there's no other way you could get it. As long as your 'ill gotten' BCM doesn't have 9999 HP then I'm fine with it. The Ereader cards might be another story though.... Since in 5 there's a way to get those with cheating as well. I suppose if you don't exceed 80MB with your ill-gotten cards then it's fine too, huh? _________________ Here's lookin' at you kid. |
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CrossFusionStarman Seras Victoria owns me
Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 1723 Location: Glomping Seras
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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PlaguedOne wrote: | Now, there are varying levels of cheating, and cheating to gain something that is available to Japanese players and not to non-Japanese players is not all -that- bad. Just don't expect me to battle against you, since I choose not to use cheat devices. |
So does that mean if I had FCR, SaitoBat, and several other E-Mods equipped, you wouldn't battle me?
And on my opinion of cheating: I think it's VERY bad to do it if you haven't beaten the game. And cheats like Have All Chips and Invincibility aren't fun because they take away the challenge. However, if you've already beaten the game, It's fine with me. And getting exclusive event items (Gospel, GatemanSP, Punk, ForteGS, FCR, ForteXX, and anything else I've forgotten) is fine by me. As long as your regular memory and HP isn't RIDICULOUSLY high, I have absolutely no problems at all. _________________ EXEHQ. Click now, I demand it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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I know these two people who both had 9999 hp in bn3 and their charged busters did 999 damage. Hardly anyone wanted to battle them except each other. |
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Hikari Angel Soul Unison
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 861 Location: Capital of Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I don't like cheating myself, but I though in BN 5 DS FCR was open to both players...
anyway, i never had a case of cheating (unless er well, i never cheated in my life).
I'll stop now. _________________
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rockzero.exe Net Savior
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 109 Location: Endiness
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Cheats should only be used to obtain the unobtainable. Nothing else.
SPOILERS
BN 1 needed Forte (which sucked badly regardless of high ATK). BN 2 needed Gateman SP, and the 4 elemental Gospel chips. BN 3 needed ForteGS (Black/Blue needed Punk as well). BN 4 needed Grandprix Challenge and Duo (not sure about Final Gun). BN 5 needed Leaders Raid and Nebula Grey (also not sure about Final Gun for this one). |
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PlaguedOne a.k.a. Pyo
Age: 42 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1227 Location: The Eye of Terror
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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CrossFusionStarman wrote: | PlaguedOne wrote: | Now, there are varying levels of cheating, and cheating to gain something that is available to Japanese players and not to non-Japanese players is not all -that- bad. Just don't expect me to battle against you, since I choose not to use cheat devices. |
So does that mean if I had FCR, SaitoBat, and several other E-Mods equipped, you wouldn't battle me? |
That is correct. I should not have to own and use a cheat device in order to battle you on fair terms.
How exactly do you define "rediculously high"? Is hacking your HP up to 5000 okay? 2000? 1050? I say 'no' to all. *shrug* _________________ (\ ºvº\ (\
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Hikari Angel Soul Unison
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 861 Location: Capital of Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: |
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PlaguedOne wrote: | How exactly do you define "rediculously high"? Is hacking your HP up to 5000 okay? 2000? 1050? I say 'no' to all. *shrug* |
How is 2000 and 1050 concidered a cheat? That amount of HP is possible in the game without cheats.
I still want to know if FRC is open to both players in BN 5... _________________
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