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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Yuffie has motion sickness. I believe that was in the game and its also mentioned in her bio on the official web site. http://na.square-enix.com/dvd/ff7ac/

I just saw this movie last night and I thought it was excellent. My room mate had some things to say about the CG and that they did a better job of it in Spirits Within. Perhaps, but remember that SW was supposed to be fairly scientific and not based on any FF game, have magic, or anything like that. While in FF VII we have magic, monsters, demons, and all kinds of things that throw science out the window. Plus, it is based directly on a video game. So I feel like the superhuman stuff can be allowed and the "minor" CG in it may have been intentional so as to get a more unrealistic feel for the film.

[spoil:2460f1679d]As for Sephiroth, you all knew he was going to come back as soon as Vincent said it was possible. Wink Any FF7 fan who's a true FF7 fan was glued to their seat and watching that fight scene and smiling. Hehe. Fan service or not, it was awesome. I'm sure not complaining. I believe the initial reason Kadaj got the children with Geostigma was to mess with Cloud. If you'll remember, at the battle in Forgotten Capital he sorta uses them as a shield at one point and knows Cloud wouldn't hurt them. Plus, children are easily led. Easy to get to do his bidding. When they got his "black water" in them, and were around the structure in Midgar, they were pretty much guarding it from outside interferance. Like a shield. Because no one would hurt children. Either that, or they also were able to summon those shadow monsters. They seemed to be concentrating. Thats what my take on it was.

Not sure about Rufus returning, but hey its a video game/anime/movie. People who were thought dead can mysteriously show up alive all the time. The only ones who can't are the ones who are confirmed dead and gone. Like Aeris/Aerith and Zach whom we see in spirit form. When you hear things like "Well, we never found the body, but no one could have survived..." you just never know. lol[/spoil:2460f1679d]

All in all I thought it was great. You would, of course, have to have played FF7 to know a good deal of what is going on, but it is definatly a must see for any FF fan. It should be coming out here in the US on DVD fairly soon. I heard something like within a month or so. It may have a limited theatrical release. Not sure.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody got screenshots?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved it, I loved the whole freaking movie. I love the part where [spoil:a3d3aba335]They fight the Bahamut(or is it?)[/spoil:a3d3aba335]. Zack also appeared in flashbacks. And I loved the final move Cloud did to Sephiroth. It was just... AH! But... I cried when the movie ended. If you want Screen shots, I can do it for you. But.... I don't want to get in trouble for spoilers.[/spoil]


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Cloud1.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can post spoilers, it's in the topic title.... please!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giving into curiousity, I read the full summary. The plot's decent enough (but c'mon, you have to admit bringing back Sephiroth was pretty corny), and I will be gladly getting the DVD and gorge my eyes on the CG.

It's pretty good to hear that Elena isn't dead as previously feared...though how Tseng and Rufus (especially Rufus) could have survived is beyond me.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't wait to see this movie. One of the main reasons is because of Vincent and Yuffie. But, mainly Yuffie. Yeah, she's my favorite. Her getting motion sickness will be something I am going to laugh at for a while.

The movie's made beautifully, the storyline's awesome, the characters look great, how could one go wrong with this movie? Seriously. I've even heard FF7 HATERS say they were impressed.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, here are some Screen shots I took, and they're all spoilers.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/Rufus.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/RenoRude2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/RenoRude.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/Reno.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/CloudSeph2.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/CloudRufusKadajRenoRude.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/Cloud2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/AerisZack.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/KidAce/Final%20Fantasy/Cloud1.jpg
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe. i was just messing up with the subtitles.

hehe. i would post what changes i did but it would cause me to get banned Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timestones wrote:
I'll wait until It's subbed in English to pass final Judgement on Advent Children. From what I saw it was. . . okay. Some things confused me, such as [spoil:dc0e33e8ac]Tseng still being alive[/spoil:dc0e33e8ac] and the way [spoil:dc0e33e8ac]Sephiroth was brought back in seemed rather lame and tacked on, like he was brought in just for the sake of being there. Especially since after what seemed to be a long and difficult battle, Cloud just Omnislashes him into oblivion with ease.[/spoil:dc0e33e8ac]

[spoil:dc0e33e8ac]One thing I'm mostly disappointed about is how Tifa and Cloud are the only two characters who don't feel like they're there just because they have nothing better to do. It was great seeing the entire team gather together to take on Bauhamut Sin, but you never once get that team dynamic that made them an entertaining bunch in FF7 when they're all together. Aside from throwing Cloud at Bauhamut, they just don't seem to really do anything.[/spoil:dc0e33e8ac]

I also don't really like the aesthetic of the movie. Sure, it's pretty, but to me it was rather obvious that Square was cutting some corners to keep the CG looking realistic while minimalizing effort. Everything just looks so dull and gray and washed out, like the skies are constantly overcast or something. Yes, considering the kind of place Midgar is, that makes sense, but that doesn't automatically mean it looks GOOD. (And I still don't like the new outfits for any of the characters, really.)

To Advent Children's credit [spoil:dc0e33e8ac]they don't bring Aeris back to life[/spoil:dc0e33e8ac] and the conclusion is a bit more satisfying than FF7's which wasn't really a conclusion, the game just STOPPED.


Errr...*looks at AC* AC is Cloud's story, not any of the other FFVII characters' story. You want the rest of thee cast's stories? *points to Dirge*

And there's a reason why [spoil:dc0e33e8ac]Cloud beat Sephiroth with just Omnislash with ease is because there was a magnetic field surrounding Sephiroth that trapped him.[/spoil:dc0e33e8ac] And, [spoil:dc0e33e8ac]the city that they all live in currently is not Midgar (that's gone and destroyed by the Meteor). It's called Edge.[/spoil:dc0e33e8ac] As for [spoil:dc0e33e8ac]Sephiroth being revived, because Jenova's head is all that's left of Jenova, so what do ya do? Pray to mama and she grants you your wish. :p Yeah, it's fan service, so what?[/spoil:dc0e33e8ac] Also, [spoil:dc0e33e8ac]the 3 SHM are remnents of Sephiroth, so Sephiroth was there the whole time. :/[/spoil:dc0e33e8ac] The story is decent and underrated.

Seriously, you along with some other people said the very same thing. "Even, I'd make a better story." BS. Just BS. :/

But, we can all agree this movie deserves an 8/10, right?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't think that last move was Omnislash. Omnislash is diffrent.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This movie was AWSOME. I never actually played final fantasy games. the only FF game I played was TActics Advance. lol. I loved this movie even tho I had no clue what was going on. lol. Jaw Dropping.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That move is actually some japanese name sunding thing called Super ???? Dragon Slash...basically Knights of the Round Omnislash.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually it so reminds me of naruto's naruto rendan.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryusuke: No, I'm afraid I can't rate it it anything nearly that high, it's an entire matter of opinion.

[spoil:64b7fadfda]While I agree with you that the focus was supposed to be on Cloud and Sephiroth was just fanservice, that doesn't instantly mean that it has to be liked for that reason.

Even though I wasn't expecting much in the way of plot, I was hoping for at least a semi-plausible seeming way for Sephiroth to come back, but I didn't get that at all IMO.

And for Cloud, although it is his story, I was hoping that the others would get some decent plot involvement still, but I was really dissapointed by that and I don't like either Cloud or Tifa, so the characters focused on bored me.

The animation was good, but there wasn't anything interesting in most of the battles to me besides that and as a result, the only battles enjoyed much were Tifa vs Loz (which is mostly because I'm a Loz fanboy now :P) and everyone vs Bahamut.[/spoil:64b7fadfda]

Overall, I'd give it 3/10, 5/10 at the highest. Gets points for the animation and for me liking the clone guys a lot more than I expected. (Mainly Loz, but the other two were cool as well)

Edit: Also, I don't like bragging, but I have to agree for once with the "I could write a better story" bit. :P
I liked the premise, but it felt like they spent all the time on animation and about 10 minutes developing the plot, making it seem really rushed and disjointed.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh. There's just no pleasing some people. I agree with Ryusuke myself. Anyone who didn't like AC just isn't a true fan of FF7; there I said it. :p

I've been going back through the PC version of FF7, and if you pay attention, everything in AC makes sense. [spoil:0299a70924]Well, the resurrection of Sephiroth and the Reunion and all that does. Remember all the clones that were made and how Sephiroth was trying to make Cloud think he was a failed clone? All clones would eventually turn into Sephiroth and so he tried to eliminate them all. Well, there were still clones left apparently. They were following the game's plot, so I don't see what the big deal is and why so many people have a hard time wrapping their heads around this. That guy was one of Hojo's clones! One of the superior ones of course. One that made it to the final end and merged with Jenova's cells to become Sephiroth. It was integral to the plot seeing as how he was going to use the disease to collect everyone's memories and then use Jenova to travel from planet to planet doing the same. So maybe they did write the plot so that it would end around Cloud and Seph fighting it out one more time in a huge awesome battle, but so what? Would you have been happy with all of them just sitting around talking, Sephiroth not showing up, and having Cloud discover some miracle cure in his back yard under a rock? BOR-ING! [/spoil:0299a70924]

So to all those who say they can write a better story, go ahead. Write one. Go on. Write one that all fans of FF7 will like better and agree should have been done instead of AC. Just remember that you have to use all of the game's original characters (even the dead ones in some way) and you have to use the game's basic mechanics and it has to connect to the game so that it at least makes sense to the people who have played it. I'm sure there are better stories that could have been done, but saying off hand that you could write a better story than the team responsible for the original story in the first place is just sorta egotistical.

Oh, also for those of you who have seen this, did you notice [spoil:0299a70924]the red ribbons the characters were wearing? Even Cloud had one on when he tore his left sleeve off. I was wondering if this had something to do with being in the Avalanche group or if maybe it had a more hidden meaning. Like perhaps they were Ribbons with a capital R. Wink The famous accessory that prevents all status changes! Hehe[/spoil:0299a70924]
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since i didn't want to make a different topic, i'll stick along the FF7 lines
did anyone see the 30min video called FF7 Last order??
it is based on the even that happened in nibelham(spelled wrong i tihnk, well cloud and tifas home town when sephroth burned it down) anyways, it shows what happened in more animated fashion and more character development on Zack.
Very interesting and very well done.
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[spoil:36dc9b85b8]Ribbons = in memory of Aerith, as far as I can tell. All of those who were in game and were around her for the longest lengths seemed to have had them. Even little Marlene had one in her hair.[/spoil:36dc9b85b8]

Jumping on the bandwagon, I believe this movie was actually extremely good, all eye candy aside. I mean, they answered my fangirlish dream of [spoil:36dc9b85b8]Rufus still being alive. I claimed it was him when they announced the Wheelchair guy, and I was estatic to the point of screaming(and having a hand clamped over my mouth) when I discovered I was right.. >D[/spoil:36dc9b85b8]

I have Last Order, but I've yet to have time to watch it. AC has been living in my DVD player for a while now.. XD
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T$ wrote:
Since i didn't want to make a different topic, i'll stick along the FF7 lines
did anyone see the 30min video called FF7 Last order??
it is based on the even that happened in nibelham(spelled wrong i tihnk, well cloud and tifas home town when sephroth burned it down) anyways, it shows what happened in more animated fashion and more character development on Zack.
Very interesting and very well done.


Off topic: And the upcoming FFVII game for the PSP, Crisis Core, will focus on Zack. Woohoo for that.

Trigger's explanation makes sense. I applaud you on that. Just asking, have you read 'On The Way to a Smile' by Kazushige Nojima?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Meh. There's just no pleasing some people. I agree with Ryusuke myself. Anyone who didn't like AC just isn't a true fan of FF7; there I said it. :p


I'm not involved in the fandom directly, but I liked FF7 quite a bit besides it's characters, enough for me to consider myself of fan of the game.
I was pleased by the animation and new characters of the movie, but other than I see no reason to be.

I do like many of the characters, as I stated and the ones it focused on the most are a few of my least favorite. On top of that, most of my favorite characters got some of the least screentime.

I also didn't like some of the character revivals, as they seemed non-sensical and only I cared about one out of all the characters revived.

characters are pretty much my top priority for entertainment, so if I don't like the characters it's gonna have to be very good in pretty much all other aspects (the exception is fighting and puzzle games, which just need gameplay) then I'm probably gonna have difficulty liking it a lot no matter how good one aspect of it is, which I found some of the 3D animation I've seen.

Another smaller thing is the art style, I didn't really like how some of the characters looked with it.

So yeah, I'm not pleased. Razz

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So to all those who say they can write a better story, go ahead. Write one. Go on. Write one that all fans of FF7 will like better and agree should have been done instead of AC. Just remember that you have to use all of the game's original characters (even the dead ones in some way) and you have to use the game's basic mechanics and it has to connect to the game so that it at least makes sense to the people who have played it. I'm sure there are better stories that could have been done, but saying off hand that you could write a better story than the team responsible for the original story in the first place is just sorta egotistical.


I'd rather not.
When I said I could write something better, I wasn't thinking something based on FF7, or something to cater to the FF7 fans.
I think that I could write something that I would find better, since even though I haven't liked much of my writing, I still find it a lot better than Advent Children.

My writing is very different from the style of Advent Children's as well, and would likely appear to more of the shounen anime crowd if I did it well than the FF7 crowd if I were to try it. (I don't mean to generalize with this, so sorry if it sounded like that. Best way I could think of phrasing it ^^)

Also, I don't think I could write better than anything they do, I think I could write better than Advent Children since it was focused on action rather than writing. If we were woth writing the same thing, with the same amount of focus on plot, I have no doubts that they'd to much better than me.

I'm not trying to bash it, change your opinion or bash your opinion, I'm just attempting to state mine.

Edit: One good thing I forgot to mention... the music was good too.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm not a complete fan of FFVII, so I wasn't so disappointed on such little things (characters not being too involved in the story for example). Again for the "I can write a better story", go ahead. Let's see if YOU can do any better. -_-; Seriously, it's very hard to make good story now a days, since like...most of the ideas were taken by other writers.

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Overall, I'd give it 3/10, 5/10 at the highest. Gets points for the animation and for me liking the clone guys a lot more than I expected. (Mainly Loz, but the other two were cool as well)

-_-; You didn't give points for music or voice acting or the screenplay (it's describes how the scenes are) or even the battles? :grr: Add that up and it's 8/10. -_-; Seriously, this movie is turning out to be the most underrated movie in Japan. -_-; Well, to a lot of people who doesn't know FFVII watched AC in Italy (especially the producer) and enjoyed it. So, seriously...it's above mediocracy (did I spell it right?).

I sometimes think that some of the people flipping over the story are a bit over the top. :/ Or don't even understand the story or its themes. Heck, I even heard some person in ACf that didn't understand the symbolization of all of the FFVII cast [spoil:16a4ef5157]helping Cloud up to Bahamut.[/spoil:16a4ef5157] Which I find very, very sad. -.-

And I bet you guys were flipping over the scene where [spoil:16a4ef5157]Aerith heals Cloud's Geostigma with Holy Water.[/spoil:16a4ef5157] -.- "That's not original!" or "That's lame!" I find this sad, too. No offense, but you guys complain too much. As I said earlier, it's hard to make an original story now-a-days. So, you take what you get.

Complaining, complaing...ALWAYS complaining!-Aerith

Besides, Nomura & Nojima (writer of AC) are NOT God. -.- Well, you can't make everyone happy.

TriggerEXE: [spoil:16a4ef5157]Remember when Sephiroth shattered into pieces? Do you know what those pieces form? I'll give you a hint: Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo. So, they weren't really clones. THEY WERE SEPHIROTH![/spoil:16a4ef5157][/u]
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