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Core
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 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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I think that you are missing a very key factor in your arguments about putting including the X series into the EXE series. That being that... THERE IS ALREADY AN X IN THE EXE SERIES! If you go and play the games you will see that there is already an X in the series that appears in BCC as a challenger that you face, and later it is ZERO, but that fight is cut off due to another figure entering the game. There was also another ZERO in the games that appeared, and each and every one of those characters were unique and not like the X series ones. Why is that? Because the X series does not work in the EXE series, or vice versa. It is as plain and simple as that.
The reason that EXE "lacks the element of maturity that the X-series" has is because they are different games made for different target audiances. The Rockman X series were made for those that are older and can handle more mature things, its only that the game finds itself in the hands of younger players after editing to the script to water it down. The Rockman EXE series is geared and marketed towards, can anyone guess... CHILDREN! So naturally it would not have the "element of maturity" that you are looking for, it is a show about kids and their net navi's saving the world from crimes where no one gets killed. In the X series you have blood shed, death, and much more because it is geared towards an older audiance.
Trying to make the X series work into the EXE series to get an "element of maturity" is about as smart as taking something like "Saving Private Ryan" and putting it into "Barney" or "Seaseme Street". It is just illogical and will not work.
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Plantman
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Tachyon360 wrote: | | The EXE series seriously lacks the element of maturity that the X-series introduced as it progressed, and many fans would wish to incorporate that into the EXE series. The general consensus I've seen on the 'Net among fans that with the EXE series would go the way the classic series is that the X-equivalent would take place when Netto is a teen or young adult, with Rockman upgraded significantly. |
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The problem I see, is we obviously want to shape it to something it's not meant to be. EXE was meant to be different, more lighthearted, and more cutesy. It's simply not going to necesarily have that 'darker and more mature' hint because it's not what really sells all that much in Japan. And being selfish, it's not something I'd like to see.
I think about it like this, what series is more popular in Japan? The place the series and games were originaly made for; EXE or X? I prefer something cutesy and less mature and light hearted, I think that's what's made it so popular in Japan and what drove many of us into it. There's X and Zero series for more 'mature' and 'dark' experiences. I don't think EXE needs to 'grow up'.
Also, keep in mind many people expect for events to happen EXACTLY like in X, which is something that's a bit absurd because many of those elements already exist in EXE. I can see elements from X series already existing in EXE under an EXE concept.
Think about the Irregulars/Mavericks. They have no place to be because the elements that define them as such are already present in Independant Navis in the games -think about undernetlings- and the Darkloids, even the Asteroids would turn back on their 'operators' in the anime. They are mavericks in essence. Many navis already share a good amount of 'irregulars' characteristics in design.
What I mean is that X series events cannot happen in EXE the same way they happened in X series. And many people DO seem to think that's what should happen. But the thing is many of them already happened, with a different name.
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Tachyon360
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| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Core wrote: | | I think that you are missing a very key factor in your arguments about putting including the X series into the EXE series. |
You're overlooking one key argument: I'm not talking about putting the X series into the EXE series, but rather about creating a sequel series based very loosely on the X series (much like how EXE is based very loosely on the classic series).
| Core wrote: | | Trying to make the X series work into the EXE series to get an "element of maturity" is about as smart as taking something like "Saving Private Ryan" and putting it into "Barney" or "Seaseme Street". It is just illogical and will not work. |
That analogy is horribly exaggerated. Rockman.EXE already has about as much violence and seriousness of plot as the classic series. The classic series gave way to the X series. Thus, the EXE series can give way to a sequel as well.
| Plantman wrote: | | Also, keep in mind many people expect for events to happen EXACTLY like in X, which is something that's a bit absurd because many of those elements already exist in EXE. I can see elements from X series already existing in EXE under an EXE concept. |
That's news to me. The only argument I've ever heard that didn't amount to "omg we should have liek x in teh seeres!!!!" is that there should be a sequel series based very loosely on the X series, keeping many of the developments in the EXE series in mind.
| Plantman wrote: | | The problem I see, is we obviously want to shape it to something it's not meant to be. |
Neither of us are qualified to make that call. Only time will tell what Capcom decides to do.
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Plantman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Tachyon360 wrote: | | That's news to me. The only argument I've ever heard that didn't amount to "omg we should have liek x in teh seeres!!!!" is that there should be a sequel series based very loosely on the X series, keeping many of the developments in the EXE series in mind. |
I think you've completely missed the point of what has been said. If you review my complaint, it's geared towards comments such as this:
| Quote: | | The new enemy turns out to be Sigma, and Megaman catches him in the act of infecting Navis, turning them into Mavericks (or something of the sort; they'd be like the foes of the previous series; similar to the Irregulars of Megaman X). |
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| Quote: | | Things aren't looking good, as the infection is slowly taking over Megaman's data. Yuuichiro (Lan's father) tells Lan that if the infection is not cured, Megaman will become a Maverick Navi. Unfortunately, Yuuichiro doesn't know how they could possibly cure Megaman. Shortly afterwards, an elderly scientist by the name Dr. Cain (or something of the sort) appears, and says that he can help Megaman. |
That's trying too hard to reproduce X series events in EXE, while those events, as I said, already occured.
Case number one = Darkloids and Dark chip infection creating navis going rampant and disobeying their operators.
Case number two = Bug Style anyone?
You're arguing something completely different. The starter of this thread is throwing theories about how to turn EXE world to follow X's events too closely to how they happened in X series. And how Rockman should become X, and change his personality, others suggesting to bring Zero back as the Navi of Enzan's child and Axl be Laika's and Pride's kid. Thus asking for a Replacement of the Rockman, Blues and Searchman Trio for the exact same trio we got in X. Trying a little too hard to mimmic X series in EXE. THAT is what I personaly don't think it should happen.
I have no problem or argument against an EXE 'sequel' that would mature up the series, without necesarily being based off in X series or in X series characters retaking about the same roles they had in X series because many of their characters have already been introduced to EXE in a completely different role. I hope I made myself clear. I talking in regards tot he arguments of this thread. Not about other opinions that suggest a 'sequel'.
| Quote: | | Neither of us are qualified to make that call. Only time will tell what Capcom decides to do. |
I think there's plenty of evidence pointed by ShoPro and Capcom about EXE being meant for 'young audiences' and meant to be more 'cutesy' than 'mature and darker' like X or Zero series are. After all, I remind you of a certain add that claims 'There's a Megaman for everyone'.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:57 am Post subject: |
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What I said does not necessarily parallel what happens in the classic series. In fact, no one really knows the true story about X's creation in the original series (at least to my knowledge). I came up with that storyline all on my own. As for the repeats of events that already occurred, well, it's still quite different from what happened in the earlier parts of the series.
Say what you will about my theories, I still think that they're good.
If you guys have your own theories, I'd like to hear them.
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Tachyon360
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Plantman wrote: | | You're arguing something completely different. The starter of this thread is throwing theories about how to turn EXE world to follow X's events too closely to how they happened in X series.... Trying a little too hard to mimmic X series in EXE. THAT is what I personaly don't think it should happen. |
Fair enough, my bad. I should've looked at this thread more carefully.
| Runty_Grunty wrote: | | What I said does not necessarily parallel what happens in the classic series. In fact, no one really knows the true story about X's creation in the original series (at least to my knowledge). I came up with that storyline all on my own. As for the repeats of events that already occurred, well, it's still quite different from what happened in the earlier parts of the series. |
Well, first off, the proper term is "prediction," not "theory." Secondly, it's "story," not "storyline." "Storyline" refers the chain of plot events in a story, and is only part of a story.
That said, your prediction goes too far in depth with no story basis whatsoever. Furthermore, it parallels the X-series too closely, because the characters occupy almost the exact same niche as their X-series counterparts in the story. The terminology is exactly the same between the series as well.
Having a Sigma Virus causing Navis to go out of control, and having those berserk Navis be called Mavericks goes a little too far, to name but one example.
Suppose I were to say that in EXE 7, Wily should come back, succeed in stealing yet another überprogram that can destroy everything, and split that program into 8 different parts and transfer those into a team of 8 extremely powerful autonomous Navis to enhance their abilities. Wily would then conquer and corrupt various parts of the Internet, convert them into virtual fortresses, and put one Übernavi into each zone to manage it and spread its corrupting influence. Rockman would then have to battle his way through each fortress, defeat the Navis controlling them, and piece together the whereabouts of Wily's real fortress. During a mission to reach the virtual hub that connects the fortresses, Rockman gains (yet another) bug that's seemingly harmless, and turns out to allow Rockman to absorb a boss Navi's abilities via the überprogram fragments. They can be used in battle at will, with a set amount of weapon energy that's drained when the buster is used. Rockman can change his form per turn, and can do so indefinitely for each form, until each individual's weapons energy runs out.
Tell me, is that an original idea? No, of course not. It follows the classic series design too closely.
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Dark Liger
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| As far as I'm concerned, we should leave the actual series in the hands of Capcom and it's sub-companies (ie. ShoPro and the manga creators), and leave the extra stuff - like adding X or other MMX or Zero characters and Mavericks/Mutos Reploid - to our own fanfics and fanart. |
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Runty_Grunty
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:03 am Post subject: |
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That idea sounds alright, though I don't think it would be Wily who does that. After all, in both the games and the TV series, he (right now) doesn't have the resources to start up a new criminal empire, or to try to cause any sort of trouble. Moreso, I'd think that it would be a new bad guy (i.e. Dr. Doppler) who starts the trouble.
| Quote: | | You're arguing something completely different. The starter of this thread is throwing theories about how to turn EXE world to follow X's events too closely to how they happened in X series.... Trying a little too hard to mimmic X series in EXE. THAT is what I personaly don't think it should happen. |
I'll admit, my prediction does parallel the X series quite a bit, so I wish to clarify a few things. Firstly, the name of the Maverick Navis is a pure draft. I can't think up any other good name for that class, so I just used that name as a kind of placeholder. Also, in my prediction, when Megaman becomes X and destroys the "Maverick" attacking Scilab, he does not absorb the abilities of the Navi he destroyed.
That may help clarify a few things.
EDIT: oops, made an error with my post. Please delete the last one.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Runty_Grunty wrote: | | That idea sounds alright, though I don't think it would be Wily who does that. After all, in both the games and the TV series, he (right now) doesn't have the resources to start up a new criminal empire, or to try to cause any sort of trouble. Moreso, I'd think that it would be a new bad guy (i.e. Dr. Doppler) who starts the trouble. |
Did you read that post in it's entirety? Or did you just go to the large block of
text? You seemed to have neglicted this part:
| Quote: | | Tell me, is that an original idea? No, of course not. It follows the classic series design too closely. |
He wasn't giving you an idea for X.exe. :eyes:
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Tachyon360
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Runty_Grunty wrote: | | That idea sounds alright, though I don't think it would be Wily who does that. |
Damn. Just... damn. Could you please reread my post? Would it help get my point across if I called the 8 bosses "Navi Masters"?
| Runty_Grunty wrote: | | Also, in my prediction, when Megaman becomes X and destroys the "Maverick" attacking Scilab, he does not absorb the abilities of the Navi he destroyed. |
Your so-called prediction has no basis on the plot whatsoever. That would make it groundless speculation. Even then, your stuff delves into way too much detail and becomes little more than fanfiction.
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