Navi Customizer or PowerUPs?

TheWebbuilder · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject:

Well, I'd have to go with the good ol' Navi Customizer; for the already stated reasons. I'm a very nonconventional player; so much so that my siblings can't stand to watch me play because my style's so wonked (of course, they also don't want to battle, so it works in my favor Wink

), but the Navi Customizer lets me be nonconventional; as opposed to forcing me to be like everyone else with the PowerUP system.

That and finding the shops selling PowerUPs in that mass of look-a-like internet zones was a pain...

Plus in BN6 (my favorite game to date) you basically get to have it all with the Navi Customizer's overhang ability. Maxed out Buster, extra chips and Super Armor or Float Shoes to boot.
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Lord S Paradox · Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

I like to use my buster. Flat out. That's why I liked using ElecGuts so much. When it comes down to it, I tend to use my buster more than my chips, unless I'm trying to get a certain style or using a certain soul unison. I very much liked the PowerUP system in BN1... until I had to fight a navi. *insert painfull busting lvl time here*

The PowerUP system was alright for battling viruses, but not so hot when fighting navis. With the NaviCust, one of my favorite programs is BustPack, which gives +3 to all buster stats, and leaves enough room left over (in most cases) for some other goodie programs, like Custom +1/+2. There is certainly a lot more flexability with the NaviCust, and you can still be an uber buster wielder. If you're worried about your buster and the NaviCust, don't be. Wink

That's just one example of the possible strategies that the NaviCust is capable of. It can use a similar PowerUP system and several other strategies for anyone else! A very tricky thing to master, yes, but when compared to the PowerUP system, the NaviCust holds its own quite well.

And that's my two cents. If Hubstyle Master still likes the PowerUP system, then that's cool. You seem to fight viruses more often than navis in the first game anyway. Razz

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I guess PowerUPs would actually be my favorite when it comes to the buster. I like the Navi Customizer for a lot of reasons, but the buster isn't one of them, and I too use my buster a lot. The Navi Cust. is good for different reasons than the PowerUPs are. So I guess I would want the Navi Cust. for Strategies and field changes, and have the PowerUPs for my Buster.

But you've got some pretty good points on everything. I think that the Navi Customizer and PowerUPs are good for different reasons.

Aries the Fire Phoenix · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject:

True. Powerups are great to use, but the Navicust is just as good. I enjoy using them both in certain situations, even with viruses, which can be a whole lot stonger than those wimpy mettaurs. :eyes: Powerups and Navicust work well together, so I'd just use both because one supports the other. ( for example, busterpack increases all your buster stats by 3, putting it at 4, and used with one other attack/speed/charge +1 puts it at 5, so using busterup would put it at 6)

Just my opinion... don't brick me please... >_<
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Fortex · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:38 am Post subject:

I prefer Navi Customizer actually, since my Rockman can be more flexible to achieve a good condition of battle. And, it can call special circumstances, for example, if you want Fire Virus come out, install the Oil Body, if you want chips from virus busting, install the Collect.
I was helped to achieve a number variety of chips by Navi Customizer. But by Power UPs, you have to bust at 10 level to achieve the chips of the virus that you just bust.
A little troublesome for a lazy person like me
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Gabe Shadow · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:04 am Post subject:

I prefered the PowerUps when it came to upgrading my Buster. The problem with the Navi Customizer is that although it gave strategic elements to the game, it just outright alienated newbies to the series. As it stands, IMHO, the Navi Customizers are reduced to "My way or the highway" gameplay. On top of this, the constant grindings are just outright tedious as each sequel pops up (i.e. "Start over with the crappiest stats, and build up stats REPEATEDLY every single sequel.) , which is one reason why I outright avoided getting Rockman EXE 6, since I felt that 5 was just the final straw for me, no thanks to the unreasonable difficulty
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Gabe Shadow · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:14 am Post subject:

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the navi customizer is way better. with it every player is differant. plus you can change your ablities whenever you want making it easier to beat bosses

HeatShadow · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject:

@Gabe Shadow, because quoting your entire post would take up too much space:

You have a few valid points, but you also seem to forget that the BN games are RPGs; RPGs are about character growth, and starting the character off as strong as they were in the last game would make things too easy, and would often give players acess to unlockable abilities they probably didn't earn in the previous game of the series. Also, Capcom includes an almost identical combat tutorial in all of the BN games, meaning no matter which game you start with, you're learning how to fight the same way each time. That way, newbies SHOULDN'T have a hard time learning how to play. Hey, you can't be successful every time.

First off, I agree with you that difficulty in BN5 was, at times, flat-out ridiculous. In previous BN games, you could earn progressively stronger chips as the game went on, allowing you to prepare yourself for the challenges ahead. BN 4 and 5, well, didn't do that. You had to beat the FINAL BOSS before getting anything beyond basic-level chips from battles. Nebula Grey had to be one of the hardest final bosses in the series purely because you have to fight him with sticks and harsh language. Not fun, not fun at all.

I also agree with you in that earning money has been tedious, and throughout the entire series as well. BN 2 was the exception, as there was one area of the Net where you could find large stockpiles of cash, which you could then use to purchase the needed chips and enhancements to get stronger. I've never understood why Capcom never gave you an option to SELL unwanted chips for a bit of extra cash, but hey, that's just me.

And finally, Matrix Online is an MMO, whereas Battle Network is a single-player game. It's pretty much like comparing apples and oranges. If you don't like RPGs, well, just say so. No need to take out your displeasure on a single game.

Oh yes, and before I forget, BN 6 does a great deal to make up for 4 and 5's blunders. Give it a try before you pass final judgement.
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Sithking Zero · Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject:

I believe that there are instances where both systems have their ups and downs. For example, I think that the upgrade system was better for the buster, as it is much harder to organize the customizer then to upgrade permanently.

However, the customizer has it's advantages as well- FastBarrier and Undersht, for one, have saved my life many, many times from certain death by horrible monsters.

Also, the buster's strength is especially important in the last game, what with the navi crosses and their charge attacks being dependant on your buster strength.

So really? I don't know which I prefer.

Gabe Shadow · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject:

HeatShadow · Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject:

Sure, we can wish that Capcom had included a data transfer option, but we live in an imperfect world. There are many, many sequel games out there, RPGs and otherwise, and I have only ONCE encountered a sequel that gave you a data transfer option; Golden Sun and Golden Sun 2 let you transfer all of the stats of the first game's characters over to the second game. This, however, is because you don't regain control of those characters until the second half of the game.

The other Megaman series don't offer any explanation as to why you don't have the last game's powers either. Only the Zero series does that, and it's only an explanation.

The fact of the matter is that these are not direct sequels in that you start one game where the last one ended. Each game is designed to start off easy and end hard, and your character is designed to start off weak and end the game strong. If you started every game as strong as you were ever going to get, the games would get boring and people wouldn't play them.

And Capcom never intentionally made BN games to be cheap. Sure, a few of them are harder than is neccesary, but those were certain design choices the creators made that didn't work out the way they had intended.

I do believe we have gotten far enough off topic. If you want to continue this, feel free to PM me. Otherwise, stick to the subject of PowerUps vs the NaviCustomizer please, we don't want the thread to get locked.
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Gabe Shadow · Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:09 am Post subject:

Roll Soul · Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:08 am Post subject:

Personally, I prefer the Navi Customizer over the PowerUp system. One person could say that finding programs for the Cust was difficult, or being able to buy them. For me, finding the programs was easy; it was finding the PowerUps that was hard. That, and with my fighting style-- going for the Charge, and then everything else --it just left me hanging because the PowerUps, I found, were spaced too few and far between.

The Customizer, on the other hand, lets me get to my preferred level of play rather quickly. As has already been mentioned, I love a quick Charge; in every BN game I've played through so far, my buster has been charged almost as soon as I start holding down the button. After Charge, the next most important thing to me is my HP amount; the Customizer lets you increase it beyond what the HP Pluses give you, whereas PowerUps didn't do that, to...my recollection anyway. This, plus the other programs you could put in and the sheer scope of ones you had, always rates the NaviCust higher than the PowerUps system in my book.

Not to mention that I can be such a pathetic player at BN that Undershirt has saved my butt on more than one occasion XD
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NetOperator Wibby · Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:48 am Post subject:

Undershirt is definitely a default NCP that always stays in the memory map. Because i am an impatient person, i've always used Fastgauge also. Oh yeah...

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kram_elbog · Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject:

Both the Navi Cust and power ups were good. I prefer the Navi cust because it is more flexible.

The Power ups where scattered, making them harder to get, plus they could only raise three different things. The Navi Cust parts were relatively easy to find, and they could do so many things. Protect you with Undershirt, keep you from flinching(Super Armor). Stand on missing panels, not be affected by poison or lava panels, and stuff like that. SO those are my reasons for prefering the Navi Cust.
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