Net Navis!

cpkr · Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 37

This might sound crazy, but I am going to have a real PET and my net navi is Megaman. I bet you have have someone who is building you a pet just like I do. :V :V :V :V P.s. I'm not joking or lying.

Crimson Seiko · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:30 am Post subject:

Building a device like a PET is far from impossible. PETs are pretty much really juiced-up palm pilots with wireless internet that works around the globe (so, basically, the planet would need to be globally networked for every PET, ever, to unconditionally work with the internet).

But the concept of Net Navis? Good luck with that one. I'd like to see you actually develop artificial intelligence that good... to the point where the Navi feels emotion and can reason with you. Computers don't reason, and Net Navis are computer data. And that's only part of it... how are you going to digitally program a physical being? Net Navis aren't just a bunch of polygons with hit detection and clipping errors like in video-games. They have skin, and teeth, and they sweat, and cry, and sometimes even bleed, and a multitude of other very human things.

Plus, the subject of plugging-in a Net Navi to networks and such... the cyber world isn't literally a "world." You can't plug-in a Navi to a web site and have them surf around, deleting viruses and what-not. Viruses in EXE are designed like Net Navis... they're physical begins digitally created. But real viruses aren't like that at all.

So, creating a PET... it's pretty much already been done. But Net Navis and all the jazz that comes with that? It'll be a while before we can grasp that kind of technology, if ever.
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LgacyDX · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject:

It can be possible. We need to believe and achieve that possibility.
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Crimson Seiko · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:25 pm Post subject:

This isn't a "if you believe hard enough, anything's possible" thing. At the moment, it's extremely scientifically inplausible. If Net Navis ever exist, we won't be alive to witness it. (And if we are, we'll be really friggin old.)
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**Plantman** · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject:

This topic has been brought up several times and all the times... it ends up turning into a flame wars between those that believe it's possible and those that don't.

I'm risking it and gonna leave it open for now, but be warned ALL of you. If you're to discuss this, do it maturely and don't outright start flaming each other just because of different views or opinions about the subject. Otherwise I'll have to lock this.

Oh and, Crimson Seiko, Net Navis on the Rockman EXE concept doesn't exist as of now, and probably won't for a long time, but seems there's plenty of digital 'personal asistants' avaible on the internet. Granted, they are pretty much like... the navis in episode 32 of Stream.
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ChibiForte · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject:

I think it could actually happen. Ya know what? I just found out my purpose in life; when I grow up, I'm gonna go to college, (obviously get a lot smarter,) and figure out how to make an actual navi! It's very possible, because you can actually do anything if you work for it and put your mind to it.
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is AI like a chatting bot or something? I heard of one that can actually learn the more it talks to real humans! Its called AliceBOT if you've ever heard of it.

cpkr · Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 37

Yeah but I chose megaman and he does have emotions, intelligence,etc.). Anyway, my friend said that she will also make the cyberworld, darkloids, viruses, etc.). You know, making the t.v. show a reality. :V :V :V

Hikari · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:

Making such world will be complex, and no system in the world can achieve such thing, and your friend cannot create the cyber world alone. It will take decades in order to create a fully funtional AI program that responds like a human being, plus the cyber world.

I have an ill-premonition about this thread >_>
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cpkr · Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 37

My friend can work on the cyberworld alone. She told me i'll take about a year to finish my PET. And probably the other stuff too.

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Broken Goggles · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject:

I doubt this will be completed in our generation, let alone the next. Though, if people work on it for 5 (guess) lifetimes, then yes, it could be possible. The net is something that will be truly difficult. There will either be 2 kinds of Nets or the Internet we know today will become a new Net where Navis roam. The Navi itself is something I'm looking forward to, even though I won't be alive to see it happen.

If this becomes a reality, I have a feeling this will be the death of mankind Laughing

Events that happened in Battle Network can happen in reality if this is completed. There could be a couple evil maniacs that creates super navis that take over the net. Or worse, take control of the military and the world's entire supply of nukes. Needless to say, it's more than enough to blow Earth to hell and back.
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Ming Yi · Nebula Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 562

Yes, you're right, but in everything we do, be it scientifical or not, is consequential. A lot of times once people discover something or believe that "they've gotten the hang of it", they can be wrong. o___O

If anyone's going to build a virtual world, of course they shouldn't include viruses. I mean, in the show viruses are depicted as cute creatures or gargantuan beasts who destroy cores and stuff, but in reality... they don't work like that. And unless a Navi had a virus-destroying tool they won't go away.

If somebody does build a Cyber World with Net Navis at our time, I'm definitely going to be afraid. Who knows what will happen if one of them, oh, say, gets infected and like Broken Goggles said, take control of our military system and bomb the whole planet?

And what about their powers? Sure, can you create a Starman that can suck an asteroid into the planet's orbital drag? If you stick a program on said asteroid, maybe so. There's a lot of asteroids out there that collide everywhere, so you'll probably have to choose as many asteroids as possible.

Then with Dimensional Areas, it's a whole new story... @_@

I just checked back on my reply and saw that I'm rambling.
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cpkr · Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 37

I'm 14 yrs old. The age is wrong which I will fix and my friend is doing the making stuff not me. Okay? But I will have a netnavi. no doubt about it!Okay? :] :V :V :V

Sosher · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Hey!

DrkXFuZion · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject:

Didn't Katona threaten to sic Forte on us once??? o.O

Lemme just break it down simply....

The closest imitation to a navi that you could probably get is a large series of if-then problem statements that could apply to ANY and EVERY kind of possible scenario in existence, presented and modeled by a figure that resembles a navi, and stored inside an electronic device about the size of a PSP. With what we have now, there's absolutely no way to create an actual AI.

Unless you're telling me that the "navi" that your friend is creating is really nothing more than those "Spidermans" and "Toucan Sam" programs that come in your cereal and open up applications for you......except with a navi skin....

BTW....why go through the trouble of creating virii when technically.......they already exist....just not how we know them in the Rockman world....
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Crimson Seiko · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject:

This reminds me of someone who tried really, really hard to create a real-life version of Resident Evil's T-Virus. Amusing how, even though Resident Evil blatantly shows the negative outcome of such a virus, someone would still want to do it... just like, even though PETs and Net Navis introduced an immense new field of criminology, people still want life to be like that. In reality, people aren't going to happily send their Net Navi into the water factory so they can overflow toilets, just so a 12-year-old boy can send in TubularMan and save the day. No, people will hack into the military computer systems, launch nuclear missiles around the world, and create mass destruction and the loss of trillions of lives. Fun!
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DrkXFuZion · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:

I should also mention that navis aren't as much as a neccessity as people seem to think.....everything that they do in the anime and games....there's a way to counter them in today's society almost....

-Virus Busting??? Leave that to Anti-Virus software or clean it out yourself...
-Getting past firewalls??? It's been done...
-Cracking passwords.....yup, already have that.
-Navigating the net??? *coughIEandNetscape/FireFoxcough*

....don't bring up Style Change or Soul Unison in the above argument......

So all in all, the only function I could think of for a navi....is pretty much a virtual friend....but like I said, at the best, it'll just be a friend who takes everything you say and applies it to if-then problem statements.
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cpkr · Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 37

My friend is creating viruses and darkloids so that my netnavi has something to fight. Didn't you read my other posts! One said that making the show a reality. :V :V :V

**Plantman** · Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject:

In any case, he/she/it/whateveritis, will keep believing the Rockman world be reproduced. As for things taking 'forever and nowhere in our generation', I wouldn't dare to say such things with much confidence, as the science and technology have proven that things can happen much faster than we thought them to be possible. So to say certain things won't happen during my life time, I really don't know, they might not but they also might. What we know now might be half of what we'll known in 10 years.

The field of technology moves in such ways that is hard to determine what will be possible and what will not. Less than 10 years ago the blocky cell phones that were like a brick and weighted as much were 'something nobody would be able to surpass' and just few people could own, 10 years later everyone and their mothers have a cellphone that does more and more things than be used to talk through it anymore.

Let this person have its dream, it doesn't matter what we think after all. Nothing we say will make this person stop believing it's possible, and if he/she/it succeeds we'll all have to eat our words, and if she doesn't no big deal, he/she/it will just deal with the fact as of now, it wasn't possible to create such things. Sometimes, the best way to learn is failing XP
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