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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: cross fusion *spolier* Reply with quote

I'm wondering what does it take to force a person to fall out from cross fusion.

1st I thought it would take by breaking the icon on a person chest, but not all navi's have icon on their chest. So how would searchman, shadowman, medi, and gyroman, could be force to cross out? none have icons on their chest.

2nd, I thought one would be forced to cross out by taking lots of damage. But there was one time, netto and enzan were forced to cross out after one attack by shademan. I think there was a time where laika took lots of damage with his armor breaking but still was able to retain his cross fusion. So what makes a person to fall out of cross fusion one is able to take lot of damage like shadowman did?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the whole icon situation, I'm guessing that the animators are leaving that to our imagination. But about the taking too much damage, CF Shadowman didn't quite take enough damage to be forced out of CF, but he did take a lot of damage since his Muramasa sliced A.Swordman right in half. I'm guessing that a bit more would've probably make him forced out of CF. But about the 1 hit shademan attack, in that episode Netto and Enzan took a lot of pain against Gravityman right before, and Shademan was the most powerful Darkloid, so a hit from him after an intense battle like the one they had with Gravityman would probably be enough to make them force out of CF. But that's my opinion. :eyes:

Edit* Almost forgot, if the NetOp and NetNavi don't get along, that too makes them de-Crossfusion.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Netto, Meiru, Enzan, Miyabi, Tesla, Dingo, Pride, and Nenji, I think that covers all cross fusions with symbols on the chest. (I know I didn't mention Misaki because R Prism is Axess only) well taking a direct hit there would disengage CF if it cracked it.

For the likes of R Search, cracking his chestplate would probably expose his emblem. I think R Needles weakspot is her horn, on the top of her helmet.

R Medi's weak spot seams to be the hat just becaue that is where her navi emblem forms.

R Gyro's henshin shows his Emblem going into his shoulders. So I think he has to be hit at the same time in both emblem to terminate it that way. But indoing so either the chip, or PET gets damaged.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just looking at this through the basic human anatomy thing. All the important organs are located in the torso/head, correct? So attacks hitting there would probably do the most damage, even with Navis. The chest symbol is just addendum. Like a big target for other Navi attacks. >_> So, if we're going by that line of thought, stabbing R-Search in the chest would probably cause him to fall out of CF, despite not having an icon there. And it wouldn't make much sense for one to have to attack the icons on his HANDS. <<

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, the PET is supposed to be stored in the symbol crest of the navi. The fusion fails if the PET is interrupted or damaged. The anime never makes it clear how this applies to navis with multiple crests or crests in unusual locations. (Speaking of multiple crests, Rockman has three... two on his ears and one on his chest... so there's no real rhyme or reason to WHICH crest it goes in either.)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too true--but bear in mind:

The navi is overlayed onto the operator, so the operator is protected from most physical attacks. However, some of the more damaging attacks, like being impaled with a sword, cannot be prevented by any sort of armor. If the operator suffers a mortal wound, then obviously the fusion fails because the operator is unable to continue. Thus, a shot to the head, chest, disembowellment, practically anything that can kill a regular human, if done with enough intensity, can cause fusion destabilization and breakdown.

The icons were merely implied in Axess, but I doubt that hitting R-MegaMan in the ear would cause him to fall out. They're probably there just as adornments, or perhaps to confuse enemies into hitting auxiliary, non-vital areas.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This brings up something I found a bit strange... "this" being the subject of disembodiment and such.

When Netto CrossFuses and uses a Sword battle chip... where does his forearm go? It becomes a sword... so where's his fist and such? The sword begins right after the elbow. It looks even stranger when the sword breaks and Netto is suddenly missing half of his arm.

Now, I thought CrossFusion basically just gave a human the navi attributes and armor, or as you said, "overlays the navi onto the human." This is why Nenji is still fat when he fuses with Napalmman, for example. So... how did Netto suddenly acquire the ability to lose half an arm?

Blah. I guess he didn't. The animators don't care, and I should stop caring too. >_>;;
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