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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:16 pm    Post subject: What's the point Reply with quote

I'm not trying to sound like this is spam. I like the show but what's the point of making new "series" (actually just new seasons as it one long show) where the premise is repeated: some fool try's to take over the world but in the end RockMan foils it. And why do these new villains claim there all that and a bag of chips? RockMan is the most powerful Navi there ever has or will be. Being an Ultimate Program, he is like a god among other Navis. Even Forte is a weakling if one was to tap into all the power RockMan could ever have, it potentially would destroy much of both worlds.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What's the point Reply with quote

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I'm not trying to sound like this is spam. I like the show but what's the point of making new "series" (actually just new seasons as it one long show) where the premise is repeated: some fool try's to take over the world but in the end RockMan foils it. And why do these new villains claim there all that and a bag of chips? RockMan is the most powerful Navi there ever has or will be. Being an Ultimate Program, he is like a god among other Navis. Even Forte is a weakling if one was to tap into all the power RockMan could ever have, it potentially would destroy much of both worlds.

Because it's how anime is. and they can change the story line so that different things can happen to mix it up a bit.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: What's the point Reply with quote

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Kadmos wrote:
I'm not trying to sound like this is spam. I like the show but what's the point of making new "series" (actually just new seasons as it one long show) where the premise is repeated: some fool try's to take over the world but in the end RockMan foils it. And why do these new villains claim there all that and a bag of chips? RockMan is the most powerful Navi there ever has or will be. Being an Ultimate Program, he is like a god among other Navis. Even Forte is a weakling if one was to tap into all the power RockMan could ever have, it potentially would destroy much of both worlds.

Because it's how anime is. and they can change the story line so that different things can happen to mix it up a bit.


So true they try to milk a shows fans as much as possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, wrong and right... they do milk everything for what it's worth, really... all forms of animation are like that, mostly the ones aimed towards kids... and this is indeed a kid show... >_>;
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see the problem in it. I enjoy seeing new seasons premiere with new openings, endings, characters and concepts.

I don't mind at all how they title the new seasons with different names. In fact, I love it. It's much better then refering to episodes by saying something like "Episode 12 of Season 4". It's much easier and more fun to say episode 12 of Stream, instead of episode 119 of Rockman EXE... but that may be just me. Also, I think each series has many unique things about it, even though the general concept is still the same, I believe each series has it's own bunch of new elements that make it's series unique enough to name it with a new title. Sure it's the same ol Rockman beating the evil guys, but watch a few episodes of each series and you can easily tell what makes them different.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because it is the way how they do it. I understand where you are coming from, but it is still cool. But my question to you, is do you watch it? or are you just saying this from your prespective?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: What's the point Reply with quote

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RockMan is the most powerful Navi there ever has or will be. Being an Ultimate Program, he is like a god among other Navis. Even Forte is a weakling if one was to tap into all the power RockMan could ever have, it potentially would destroy much of both worlds.
Rockman is POTENTIALLY most powerful, but not on his own. If he didn't have any help, there are plenty of navis he'd be utterly helpless against in a one-on-one battle. Even with help, he's never been able to handle Forte in the anime and he barely holds his own in the manga. The fact that he's in mortal peril so often is proof that he's not all powerful and that's what makes it interesting to watch. It's why, near as I can tell, characters like Spiderman or Batman are far more popular than characters like Superman: when the hero drastically overpowers all enemies, it's just boring. Besides, does anyone really know how much potential Forte has? There's so much that even Forte doesn't know about Forte.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kadmos wrote:
where the premise is repeated: some fool try's to take over the world but in the end RockMan foils it.


I'd loooove to see you come up with anything else that you catch a 10 year old's attention.

Kadmos wrote:
And why do these new villains claim there all that and a bag of chips?


You expect them to grovel while they try to take over the world?

Kadmos wrote:
RockMan is the most powerful Navi there ever has or will be.
Being an Ultimate Program, he is like a god among other Navis. Even Forte is a weakling if one was to tap into all the power RockMan could ever have, it potentially would destroy much of both worlds.


Excuse me while I laugh. Rockman has never ever been able to defeat Forte. Also, Forte has yet to be defeated by a navi without killing them later on.

Kadmos wrote:
I'm not trying to sound like this is spam.


Well, you kinda bashed the entire series on their own board.



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Excuse me while I laugh. Rockman has never ever been able to defeat Forte. Also, Forte has yet to be defeated by a navi without killing them later on.

XD. I agree, Forte hasn't been defeated yet so.
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Rockman, Is supposed to be, Almost big and bad but, He's not THE Strongest, And hasn't beaten Forte yet. =/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Excuse me while I laugh. Rockman has never ever been able to defeat Forte. Also, Forte has yet to be defeated by a navi without killing them later on.

XD. I agree, Forte hasn't been defeated yet so.

Stream Note:
[spoil:c2d4099c7c]SLUR beat him to pulp in Stream 2[/spoil:c2d4099c7c]
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but he made quick work to correct that mistake. :)

Anywhos. Rockman is an anime for kids. That about sums it up. I happen to love it because of all the awesome characters, and the long continuity of the storyline. Oh yeah, and I've been a Rockman fan since the eighties.

EXE isn't a ground-breaking anime, true. But its got a lot of history and whole lot more of fan generations to keep it going. Which is mostly why we've been given over 150 episodes so far. As long as there's interest, it'll keep on truckin'.

As for the "all powerful" idea about Rockman himself, I never believed that. Powerful, maybe. Determined, definately. It's Rockman's nature and character that makes him the victor in most cases. You see this come out more often in the manga than the anime, but it's there. Netto is almost always a contributing factor as well. We've seen plenty of times when this team has taken their downfalls though.

Did Netto win the N1 Grand Prix? No, Enzan and Blues did. Did Rockman truly win against Gospel? He may have, but at a dire cost of losing all control. Rockman's nearly been deleted many of times, only to be saved by others. Roll, Searchman, and Blues to name a few. I'd hardly call Rockman a God.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Excuse me while I laugh. Rockman has never ever been able to defeat Forte. Also, Forte has yet to be defeated by a navi without killing them later on.

XD. I agree, Forte hasn't been defeated yet so.

Stream Note:
[spoil:4051d27a4b]SLUR beat him to pulp in Stream 2[/spoil:4051d27a4b]
And he came back for seconds like LaserMan said. Whether or not he gets beaten, he does come back for sweet, sweet revenge :grr: .

edit: Sorry, it was Flame Buster who actually said that.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say about coming back, Laserman's statement seemed like Forte had never been licked, ever.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryouko wrote:
...Did Netto win the N1 Grand Prix? No, Enzan and Blues did. Did Rockman truly win against Gospel? He may have, but at a dire cost of losing all control. Rockman's nearly been deleted many of times, only to be saved by others. Roll, Searchman, and Blues to name a few. I'd hardly call Rockman a God.

Many times? I thought there was only that one time, after the GP, when Pharaohman deleted him...o.=.0
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Rockman's nearly been deleted many of times, only to be saved by others."
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryouko wrote:
"Rockman's nearly been deleted many of times, only to be saved by others."

O.=.o;;; Ohhhhh geez... heh... sorry, leave it to me to forget one little word that changes the whole meaning and makes me look like an idiot -.=.-;;;;;;
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pharoahman was defeated only by the assistance of Protoman, Gospel was already explained. He DID defeat Regal,

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[spoil:7865a8d452]but Duo was defeated, in a sense, by Colonel and Barrel.[/spoil:7865a8d452]
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please remember to mark any spoilers past Axess.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And in addition to what other people have already pointed out how Rockman isn't as all powerful as the first post claimed, here's a cynical reason.

The series is created as a tie in to a line of video games. As long as new games in the series come out, and the anime is still popular, a new Rockman.exe series will be made loosely based on the latest game. The repetativeness that's complained about is due to the games themselves following the same basic pattern of "evil organization that generates a series of bosses for Rockman to fight to stop their crimes, some huge enemy as the final boss, with Wily or Regal the mastermind behind the organization."
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm considering downloading what people call series 3-4 since I've only seen the dubbed/edited versions. Even if Forte had his full potential made, my opinion is RockMan would still have at least twice as much. Forte and most other evil Navis will never fully comprehend RockMan's power. One wonders if all the other shown Navis (90 as of Stream) were to be combined, would RockMan still be more powerful. Likely.
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