Anime "Deletion Theory" *EXE and Stream spoilers*

Shamanic Enzan · Joined: 08 Dec 2005 Posts: 19 Location: Southern USA

What really DOES happen when a netnavi is deleted? When Rockman was destroyed by Pharohman, his data returned in a different form in his friend's Pet or "Personal Network". When it was encoded back into a NetNavi form, Rockman returned. This leads me to believe that when a navi is deleted, it is simply changed into several bits of network data and scattered. Maybe this is how [spoil:1392ccde7d]Slur is able to create Asteroid forms of deleted navis[/spoil:1392ccde7d] by simply gathering the pieces and changing some 0s and 1s in the inner programming, creating the [spoil:1392ccde7d]Asteroid[/spoil:1392ccde7d] navis.

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Crimson Seiko · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject:

That sounds right.

When a navi is deleted, their data pretty much becomes unstable, their frame shatters, and all of the data just sorta scatters around on the net. Look at when Pharaohman was deleted. His data drifted around until it formed into Gospel and Forte. Rockman's data was apparently drawn to his friends, so it attached to their PETs until Yuuichirou could retrieve a new frame. ('Never really thought that the Rockman we know and love at the moment is in body #2... which is also why he could Style Change, I suppose, because Yuuichirou gave this new frame that ability. Huh.)

I recall in the games, when Netto deletes Blues in EXE2, Enzan says something about having Blues's coding memorized so he can just program another one. I suppose net navis can be "backed up" like any file, or at least, maybe their coding. Not sure how this works in regards to their memories, though.

A lot of deletion cases with navis seem to vary. Look at Fireman. He was "deleted," yet the body they retrieved was still nearly in one piece (just irrepairable). I thought a navi scattered into data pieces when they were deleted... And then there's Elecman and Magnetman, who got deleted simultaneously, but both returned unexplained (in Elecman's case, it was only 3 episodes later).

And not sure how Slur creates Asteroids because, well, some of them were never deleted (like Airman and Snakeman)... that is, unless the writers expect us to just assume that those navis died in the past but we just never saw it.

It's just an aspect of the series that the writers probably never intend on really explaining thoroughly, but I think what you got there is as close as we'll get...
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ComicX6 · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject:

Well, will some of the asteroids, Slur reforms a standerd navi into an Asteroid. The exception that I know of is Flashman, who deleted Rei's original navi. I think that sometimes she pulls them out of no where, and others she just reconfigures an existing navi's data.

There are probably other exceptions to that though.
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JunkmanSP · Colonel of Junking up Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 656

Game: Navis are installed with "back-up data" before entering dangerous areas of the cyber world or netbattles, so if they are deleted they can be revived with all their memories and personality. If a navi is deleted without back-up data installed, their memories and personality are lost forever, although the frame(body) can easily be recreated the original navi is lost.

The anime seems to ignore back-up data and a deletion efectively erases the navi permenantly. Though the operator can plug out just before the final blow is dealt that's a very risky way to live don't you think?
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Midnight · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject:

Indeed. As for the game theory, there was a hint to it in EXE1, when the WWW took over the school in Numberman's scenario. Dekao plugged in to handle the situation, and was almost immediately overwhelmed by the viruses. Gutsman was presumably deleted in the *bang* that occurred, and this is lent even more credibility when Meiru immediately thereafter asks Dekao if he had a backup.

As for the anime, it is true that a lot of characters plug out to prevent deletion. Hell, it seems that the system automatically logs a navi out when he or she has taken extensive damage, perhaps preventing said lethal damage from ever accumulating. The data may be effectively deleted, but it seems that not all of it is erased, since it very well may be that the data scatters rather than is eliminated, and this is presumably how some navis are reconstructed.
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ForteGS.exe · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:55 am Post subject:

anime proof: Shadowman was completely deleted by Searchman in axess, yet Dr Wily revives shadowman in stream(without backup data).

**Sketch** · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:24 am Post subject:

The Manga also uses backup data. Point being Fireman and Numberman were both deleted. Fireman came back as Fireman II but was still a jerk, and Numberman was deleted and came back as not a jerk.
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Crimson Seiko · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:40 pm Post subject:

Err... just a correction to something I previously mentioned. Snakeman wasn't an Asteroid navi. He and his many clones were part of Bubbleman's Darkloid army. My bad.
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Mugen.exe · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject:

I think that that data drifting theory is the most reliable. It explains how you can fight most bosses while running around the net in the appropriate areas. And the back-up data works too.
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SamBarry · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject:

I have a slightly different theory which happens to hold true for real programs: there is no way to completely and permanently delete a file. Unless I'm mistaken, when you delete data, all that happens is the computer deletes the address of the data so that it thinks the data isn't there. But the data is still there and can still be retrieved with some utility programs. The only way to "remove" the data is to overwrite it. Except that even then the data is not gone. Data is stored magnetically and, no matter how many times you overwrite the data, there will still be trace magnetism that, with sufficient machinery and time, can be used to reconstruct the data. Granted, the more times you overwrite, the harder it gets to retrieve the data, and the more corrupted the data gets. But the only way to truly get rid of data (for all you people with secrets) is to throw the disk with the data into a blast furnace.

Maybe Slur uses Norton Unerase?
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Kupo.EXE · Darkloid Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 537

I like your theory SamBarry but what about the fact that this is the future and the entire idea of a 'computer' as we know it no longer exists and is replaced with a virtual world where a small humanoid creature does all of this kinda thing for you, it's like if norton antivirus was deleted how would you protect against viruses? If they are deleted, you lose basically your operating system and have to start a new with a different program and recustomize your machine the way you want it all over again.

SamBarry · Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:

Its still a computer. Unless they've stated that there's been some major revolution (as in complete overturning) in storage technology, the only advances I'd assume between 20XX and 2006 is an increase in storage space and computing speed. As such, my theory would still hold.
As for virii and antivirus programs, thats an entirely different matter. The inability to completely destroy a file is a limitation of hardware. Malware (virii, spyware, trojans, etc.) is (and will be ad infinitum) a struggle between software programmers to see who can build the better mousetrap or mouse. Safe to say, the Norton Antivirus of today would be no match for the weakest Metool.
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Crimson Seiko · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:31 am Post subject:

I'm liking this theory too. Aren't Darkloids created from pieces of corrupted data floating around? Or was that just a weird NT Warrior sub-plot that doesn't exist in the original?
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Midnight · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:42 am Post subject:

Hmmm...this is certainly quite an intriguing theory that seems to have a lot of sense behind it. I doubt that Darkloids are made from corrupted date per se, but rather they are comprised of data in a different format, and that is what gives them their seemingly mirrored sense of what is right and wrong.

If I may make an analogy to that of humans--a regular citizen, and a murderer. They are both comprised of the same units--the same nucleic acids--A, T, C, G--as the regular citizen. Surely this doesn't mean that their nucleotides are corrupted in any way? A lot of that is more related to how the data is expressed based on the conditions in the environment that which the navis is raised in, much like a human.
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Neko · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:39 am Post subject:

Oh ho, bring in the genetics Middy XD

I like the data drift theory myself because it explains what happens a lot more. Only deletion also is probably pernament to a degree because it seems that even when some navis are revived they no longer have any memory of what previously happened.

Corrupted, maybe since data can be corrupted. Or possibly it is just simply re-written using the origana data as some kind of core blue print.
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charles · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:40 am Post subject:

i believe when a navi gets deleted It doesn't necesaraly mean its data gets destroyed.
i think the core holding the data together is destroyed along with a bit of data the rest just scatters away like dust in the wind.
beeing able to recreate your navi (along with his memory) could be done by recollecting the data allong with some random data that will be adjusted or simply mod a existing navi (standard) with the regatherd data.
((the pet might be able to act as a magnet for the lost data of sorts))
when a back up is involved it will simply reinstall the navi into the pet with the memories till the making of the back up ALLONG with some scannig and searching for lost data that might have something to do with the navi thats beeing recreated (meaning the navi might remember its deletion that way)

personal theory with ABSOLUTTLY no proof to back it up:
this probably means that the bugfrags might actually be gatherd in the officials net area so it can be found back at a faster rate (instead of months of waiting)

my oppion :poof:

Wackoman.EXE · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:48 am Post subject:

I think I'll stick with that drift data theory. Like someone previously mentioned, that explains why navis just randomly appear on the net. As for the Darkloid theory, darkloids being created from corrupt data seems right...but what about Darkloids who became good (like Bubbs)? Was there data purified, or did they just go against there original corrupt data. Lots of interesting theories are being brought up. I wonder why the good guys navis never automatically log out when they get a sufficient amount of damage, like the villains do? Is it because they have operators?
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Midnight · Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:10 am Post subject:

I doubt the 'corrupted data' theory is as sound as theories that state that the effect of the environment on the expression of the data, and a good point was brought up--the case of Bubbleman.

If he was comprised of corrupted data, that would mean that at the end of Axess, his change of heart was due to a direct rewriting of his core programming--his data was cleaned and made into a format that aligns with the rest of the navis that we know. However, there seems to be nothing to imply that Bubbleman underwent such a procedure. It could happen if the data suffered a loss of structural integrity--in an event like deletion--which could allow for the data to spontaneously reconstitute itself, but nothing like this was hinted at in the anime.

I'm not saying its wrong, I'm just saying that this case throws the veracity of the theory into doubt.
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