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Mageman
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: Will Forte's story ever be resolved? |
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In MMBN3 you find out his backstory, but he loses his memory and from then on he's just a secret boss who's sole motivation is to fight. His story is never really resolved. In fact, I'm really hoping that he somehow survives into the Ryuusei no Rockman games.
I get the feeling, though, that Forte's story may not even be resolved in the anime. I hope it is, but I get the distinct feeling it won't. This would be especially disappointing after his statement at the end of Stream: "Your world's safe for now, but just you wait...Rockman."
I was actually hoping that the anime would make Forte the big bad guy in Beast, and now that that didn't happen, I'm hoping that the last few episodes of the series, whenever they are, will center on the final battle with Forte. But, as I said before, I won't be surprised if they don't... |
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Hon Kesshou Net Battler
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Asinus in Cathedra
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: |
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I seriously doubt Forte's story will be resolved, partially because I think his story boils down to "ALL SHALL FEEL MY WRATH!!!" His obssession with revenge above all else and the power to accomplish that makes him a bit hollow as a character to me. The only trait I can remember him having is pride, maybe a tiny, tiny bit of mercy.
Because of this pride, I find it implausible for him to partner up with anyone for any reason.
I also liked him better when he was a bit of a loudmouth in the originals. Just a random comment. |
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Crimson Seiko [Dream] Chaser
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 1528 Location: WV
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: |
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He has no development period in the anime. His backstory was shoddy for EXE, he was just a cameo for Axess, and he was just in Stream to set up his fan-servicey role in the movie. Really... he has no use in the anime, so there's nothing to resolve at all. He's really powerful and crabby. If you want Forte focus, turn to Ryo Takamisaki's manga adaptation of the franchise. Forte's involved with every friggin plotline in that. _________________
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Mageman
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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I just find it weird that Forte has always been built up as being powerful and mysterious, and the only times he's actually ever fought were against Slur and Nebula Gray. And the fact that his last words on the show were "Just you wait...Rockman" seem to be foreshadowing something. Even though it seems he'll never be terribly important to the story, it's kind of a let down to build him up so much and miss his potential as a major antagonist. He defeated Slur with ease the second time they fought. Rockman, Blues, Searchman, and Colonel all at once barely even fazed her. With him as powerful as he is now, wouldn't Rockman vs Forte be such a great finale? |
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Hon Kesshou Net Battler
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Asinus in Cathedra
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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I personally doubt his last words were "Just you wait." I just looked back to the thread on the Stream finale and the best Ryouko could figure was "The Earth is safer for a little longer, Rockman." Admittedly, Ryouko siad she wasn't that sure of it. |
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Shakai Shounen yo shinwa ni nare
Age: 34 Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 1309 Location: Scramble Crossing, Shibuya
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Battle Network 6 Secret After Game Spoilers: [spoil:b6b69a0f23]Forte suffers a horrible explosion-based death as Sketch put it.[/spoil:b6b69a0f23]
And others have said this before, but I can repeat it, Forte doesn't really have as much story in the anime as he does in the games (albeit not much, still has more) and the manga, he's mainly there for fan service. _________________ The time is come. Bid farewell to your bloodstained past.
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Mageman
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Shakai wrote: | Battle Network 6 Secret After Game Spoilers: [spoil:ee0b794fc7]Forte suffers a horrible explosion-based death as Sketch put it.[/spoil:ee0b794fc7] |
WHAT?l [spoil:ee0b794fc7]You beat his special form and he's deleted, just like that? Do Rockman and Netto even say anything about it when it happens, or is it just like "Oh well, nother bad guy dead. Yay us."[/spoil:ee0b794fc7]
[spoil:ee0b794fc7] I just thought about this: if it's true Forte is deleted in MMBN6, that seems like a sad way for him to go, and also seems like a lazy way to resolve his story. I guess it's better than not resolving it at all, but it still seems like a horrible way to wrap-up a loose plot point. [/spoil:ee0b794fc7] |
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Sketch The Boy who is Very Sart
Age: 37 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 2349
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Then PM a mod of the section and have them edit your post. _________________
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Dj
Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 10 Location: @Your Home
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Have you even played the game?he is not deleted....[spoil:05806d6dbd]Rockman Says:it's just Forte he would be back....[/spoil:05806d6dbd] _________________
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Mageman
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I never got to him in the game, at least not yet, but according to how people talk here and on the Mega Man Network forums he seems to have been deleted. If not deleted, at least in a severely damaged state. |
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Shakai Shounen yo shinwa ni nare
Age: 34 Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 1309 Location: Scramble Crossing, Shibuya
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Dj wrote: | Have you even played the game?he is not deleted....[spoil:19c5cebaef]Rockman Says:it's just Forte he would be back....[/spoil:19c5cebaef] |
[spoil:19c5cebaef]Have you EVER seen Forte explode before? Any other time, he fizzles out and runs away. This time he actually exploded. A first. BECAUSE HE DIED OF THAT.[/spoil:19c5cebaef] _________________ The time is come. Bid farewell to your bloodstained past.
Forsake the darkness you once embraced, or the light will find no hold.
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Zourii
Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 33
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Shakai, your kidding right? Quote: | Forte will always come back, he has more lives then a cat..... |
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Shakai Shounen yo shinwa ni nare
Age: 34 Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 1309 Location: Scramble Crossing, Shibuya
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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So? He still [spoil:ed0fc44d5b]exploded[/spoil:ed0fc44d5b]. And that's what we are left with. Fans may speculate, but I believe that's how Capcom decided to resolve him.
But that's besides the point. We're talking about the anime, aren't we? ^^;; _________________ The time is come. Bid farewell to your bloodstained past.
Forsake the darkness you once embraced, or the light will find no hold.
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Achie-san Net Battler
Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Tennessee
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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This is actually an interesting topic to me. Forte really has been abused in the EXE anime, but I don't think the anime will last much longer and with the way Beast+ is going I don't see him having a story or it being resolved unless it's really quick.
In the game I was confused as well because of the way EXE3 ended and then he [spoil:6e11190b81]never appeared in the story line for the other games.[/spoil:6e11190b81] (I don't know if that's really a spoiler or not, but better safe than sorry) To me there should of been some continuation of some sort instead of making him nothing more than an extra boss-type thing.
I suppose the Gospel incident in EXE is about as much plot as we're going to get with our beloved Forte, so enjoy it and try to pretend it's more meaningful than it is. _________________ Friendship is a promise made in the heart
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Dougurasu Net Agent
Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 242
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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I think the only way the Forte 'story' can be resolved is by killing him Oo But not like Gospel or Slur, just really really kill him. Then again... he might've died in the movie Oo _________________
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Rahsed.EXE
Joined: 08 Dec 2005 Posts: 21 Location: Duo's Asteroid
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Nope, after the movie he's perfectly fine. The movie is set in about halfway of Stream and then he appears at the end of Stream. He can die later...but he won't, he is Forte and he just can't die.
But he can destroy entire humanity! That would be a good end for his story. _________________ Avatar by me. |
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Mageman
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Well, this is just my incredibly cliched idea, but I thought it would be cool if in the very last episode of the series Forte fought Rockman, beating him, but it was finally revealed Rockman used to be human. Then he'd use Saito style to beat Forte and somehow make him become good.
But that's probably not going to happen, and a lot of you probably think that's a horrible idea. |
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Shakai Shounen yo shinwa ni nare
Age: 34 Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 1309 Location: Scramble Crossing, Shibuya
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Rahsed.EXE wrote: | Nope, after the movie he's perfectly fine. The movie is set in about halfway of Stream and then he appears at the end of Stream. He can die later...but he won't, he is Forte and he just can't die.
But he can destroy entire humanity! That would be a good end for his story. |
...What is he, Zero? Of COURSE he can die.
And, Mageman, that's ridiculous. If Saito hasn't been revealed already in the anime, there's no way in hell he can be revealed now. Think about it. Do you honestly think they would do that? First off, Rockman lost the ability to Style Change after he Crossfused with Netto. Second off, there's not even enough time in Beast Plus to do a Saito arc. Sorry, but it's just not going to happen. _________________ The time is come. Bid farewell to your bloodstained past.
Forsake the darkness you once embraced, or the light will find no hold.
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Dougurasu Net Agent
Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 242
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Heh, I don't think it's THAT ridiculous, but it probably won't happen anyway... I had no idea [spoil:b9516273b0]forte appeared at the end of Stream as well... [/spoil:b9516273b0] I wonder how that ended Oo
In any case if he's still around somewhere... he should at least get a role in the finale of Beast+ O__o;; at least, in my opinion. _________________
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Plantman It's only Forever... Not long at all!
Age: 44 Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1819 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Well, this is a topic I discussed with Achie in the EXEFiction channel in IRC, but I thoguht I'd bring it up here as well. All of this is basicaly a theory and no way official, but I think it does sheed some light as to why Forte's 'story' wasn't -and probably never will be- 'revealed' in the anime.
Okay, so a little of background information. The anime was released before EXE 3 was. An anime usualy starts production and animation of several chapters way ahead from their airing schedule. An example would be they animated... the first episode at the very least a month before the show aired -not exact dates, I'm simply giving a random example.
So, by the time they approach the end of season 1's production and animation, EXE3 wasn't released yet. The character Pharaohman was given a very important role, let's see if we can find some similarities to a certain character's background in EXE3.
Pharaohman's creators made him a completely independent navi, to this end, he'd be the 'first one'. They did not trust him and feared his absolute power to control the network would go overboard. They 'betrayed him' and locked him away. When Pharaohman was released he wanted revenge on the humans for what they did to him. Sounds familiar?
Pharaohman destroys himself and Wily uses part of his data to create Gospel, while Forte is created espontaneously by Pharaohman's data, lacking memories of anything regarding him, memories that he'd get from his contact with Rockman.
Forte was brought over merely to comply with what role he had in the 'Gospel' arc of the games. Wether his background in EXE 3 determined that it was best to make him the reincarnation of Pharaohman -since both had basicaly the same background; or if it was merely decided at random by the writers of the anime is unknown. But the posbility remains that the anime was probably 'guessing' by this point.
Forte's backstory has been resolved somewhat, if you keep in mind his backstory in the game is awfuly similar to Pharaohman's in Season 1. So, if you expect for Cossack to appear and Forte go 'daddy!' at him, that probably will never happen due to Forte being basically Pharaohman under a new body and new mindset.
After that, Forte became mainly "fanbait", which is probably why he was never seen in Beast.
As for Rockman being Saito and gaining Saito Style, it's going to be awfully farfetched to get the Saito style after it was made clear by Yuuichirou in Axess that cross fusion anulated Rockman's posibilities to Style Change anymore. The 'natural' replacement for it were Soul Unisons and later Beast Outs and Crosses.
Giving him Saito Style back would require a really good explanation to cover why he got it just now. Moreso since obviously merging with Forte created Forte Cross Rockman, rather than new Style Changes, like it could have. (it's not like they can get away with it as easily as they did with changing Wily's age/look in stream XD)
Forte in the anime has been a plot device, his appearances merely obey to be 'there' for Rockman to get some special hability, he was there to indirectly give him Bug Style, and was there to give him the Cross in the movie. _________________ Hecha en MÉXICO - Avatar by Me.
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