Mistake in fansub

Stream Fever · Net Savior Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 124

My friend brought this up so we decided to do some research on it. In some of the fansub, Roll's attack is named "Heart Slash" but in actual fact, its "Heart Flash".

Instead of just trying to talk about it, my friend and I actually went to research and find resouces to prove it.

Below are pictures that are from the games. Images are not modified except for the red border to highlight where the japanese words are.

Roll's English attack name is "Heart Flash".

Observe Roll's Japanese attack name.

Observe Flashman's name. Doesn't it match with Roll's attack name? (As highlighted)

Notice Slashman's name. It makes no match.

This research has proven that Roll's attack name is indeed "Heart Flash" and for people who does not know japanese to understand as well.

**Ryouko** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject:

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't her attack in the games include the act of her whipping the enemy with her antenna? If so, the "Heart Flash" would make sense, since in the anime, the same attack is called "Roll Flash". It's the shooting heart attack that is correctly named "Heart Slash".

As a note, in the anime, the Roll Slash attack was eventually renamed as Roll Whip. We've seen before that attack names can be inconsistant, such as them renaming the Beta Sword PA as Dream Sword later on.
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**Izumi** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Mistake in fansub

(had to edit my reply a bit to add in the screenshots XD)

Since she's throwing razor-sharp hearts...

Slash is more logical.

And this is Flash, which, as Ryou already said, became "Roll Flash" (and eventually "Roll Whip"). Assumably this was done to give her more attacks to work with, since she was actually playing an active role in the anime.

If you listen carefully to her dialogue when she's doing the heart-throwing attack, (particularly in EXE episode 56) you can distinctly hear the "f" sound.
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Strangely enough, no matter how many times I hear, I always catch her attack in the fansub as Flash instead of Slash. It could be just be. However, in the anime, I think that Flash suit Roll best. Slash could just make Roll abit too rogue type.

Well, concerning about razor sharp hearts, why don't you consider it the same as the "Crush the Virus Factory! " episode? In it, Roll attack by shooting a heart at a mushy virus which is long range. It may not be razor sharp but just a heart ray that does damage once it touches the enemy.

**Izumi** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject:

"Flash" does suit Roll, but as we said, she already has an attack with that word in it. It's called Roll Flash. As much as you'd prefer any other way, that's how it looks to me.
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**Plantman** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject:

I've always heard it as slash. Never at all sounded like 'flash' to me at all, and I still think it suits her just fine. You don't 'flash someone' with a heart shapped, thin projectile.

They cannot change their consideration of what the attack does and how it works, it's cut and hacking things into conforming to what you WANT IT to be, as opposed to what it REALLY IS.

Heart Slash isn't a beam. That's like saying "Love Me Chain" is a beam.
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Stream Fever · Net Savior Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 124

A reply my friend (who doesn't have an account here X.x) want me to make.
Slash is weird since Roll doesn't have claw.

My reply
I thought all of the attacks from the anime are taken from the games. About the Roll Flash in the early part of the series, I'm thinking that the voice actor may have script given to them with the mistake which are corrected in the later stage. For Roll, I remember in the tournament in first season, she also did a long range heart attack similar to the one Izumi shown. I see if I can find a screenshot.

**Plantman** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject:

You don't need claws to slash something. And technically, she did have claws for a while as the 'empress Roll'. 'Slash' just means you can tear something open through sharp objects and motions.

And the anime has always taken plenty of liberties when it comes to attacks, they do base a lot of the attacks from the games, but other complimentary attacks are an anime-only creation.

For example, stream spoiler ahead:
[spoil:0e96b3cd8c]
Shade Hand, one of Shademan's attacks in Stream 31 is as, far as I know, an anime only attack, that lovely giant hand wasn't used by Shademan in the game at all.[/spoil:0e96b3cd8c]

In a similar light, I don't recall Shademan having the ability of elongate his arms a few miles in order to stab people in the games either.
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**Izumi** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject:

Anime Master ZERO · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject:

I recall only seeing Roll use "Heart Flash" once back in EXE 33. She used it to delete a mushroom virus in Internet City.
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About Shademan's hand attack, I think it could be his SP attack in EXE4

**Izumi** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject:

You're correct; I'd forgotten that one. Going back to it...I have no idea wtf it is. XD It sounds like Flash (unlike all the other instances) but the animation isn't correct for either of the attacks Roll had done up til then.

Perhaps this one, then, is meant to represent the real Heart Flash, the one from the games.
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I do have to agree to the fact that most stuff in animation are named differently. Right now I can't think of any other thing for Rockman except for Digimon Dub change MetalGarurumon breath attack to Metal Wolf Claw. For this example, it really doesn't make sense that a claw attack come from the mouth.

**Plantman** · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:

That doesn't look like the Shade Hand from stream, though. Maybe they are the same, but it looks different in Stream. XD

But anyway, that aside, the anime's had a lot of other instances where they make up attacks for characters that they didn't have in the games.

Beast Spoiler Ahead:

[spoil:3dbf971c61]The Shade hand seemed to be used by Darkman too, come to think of it, and I don't think he had this attack in EXE3. Heck... his arms ended up being Shademan's in the end.[/spoil:3dbf971c61]
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I have to agree with that. If I'm not mistaken, he didn't use the attack that made a shadow spear attack. I'm not surprised if the hand in the anime is associated with that.

If not, most likely the hand is created mainly because it is inconvenient for Darkman to have no hands. Or else how you expect him to grab Iris?

**Plantman** · Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:43 am Post subject:

dunno, he [spoil:29d3f61d57]had grabbed Iris with whatever hands he had under the cloak, then for some reason he actually was showing his arms in the next episode he showed up at. At the very least make his arms something unique to him. Instead of recolored Shademan arms and hands [/spoil:29d3f61d57] XD
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chrissy · Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:11 am Post subject:

I guess they tend to change the names of attacks sometimes because I remember when roll used her roll rush(I think) and then it turned to roll whip???
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Stream Fever · Net Savior Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 124

Sorry for reviving old thread but I think I found something that could be used to continue the discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JJG214gTOY

This is the Singapore's dub version of Rockman EXE. In this clip at around duration 4:22, Roll uses the attack and she yell Heart Flash. Although this is not the original Japanese version, but Singapore dub most of the dialogue without making changes.

**Izumi** · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject:

a) seeing how in most Japanese to English localizations the script is translated by ear (at least around these parts, but I imagine it's the same for Singapore), the translator could have just as easily misheard it

b) does that look like a 'flash' of anything to you?

c) why does it matter? It's a freakin' typo, if that is the case, and does anyone but you actually care?

Stop reviving the topic, for God's sake. I'm sure your deductive skills ability to argue things to death could be put to excellent use elsewhere.
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