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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: Music Video Making Technique/Guideline Tutorial |
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Hi there, this is your friendly neighborhood Serenade with a nice, long AMVing guideline and technique tutorial. I’m making this out of the goodness of my heart, so if you don’t read all of it I will be sad. Or something.
Anyway, this is for those of you who think that sticking three of the clips off of Ryouko’s site together and putting music over them is making an AMV. Just to be crystal clear, that is NOT how an AMV is done.
In the following paragraphs I will try to clearly explain some techniques and guidelines essential or otherwise useful towards making music videos. I will also list AMVs that I have seen that I think give good examples of the techniques I have listed - if I list you and you’d rather not be, please tell me and I’ll remove your name. ^_^; If you have any questions, comments, rotten vegetables, or would like to point out any spelling errors or general errors that I have made, don’t hesitate to ask/comment/throw/nitpick.
Firstly, if you’re extremely new to this and don’t even know what programs to use:
Assembly/Editing Programs.
Programs are fickle, and will differ with your computer and Windows or other system. The most well known program I know of and easiest to use would be Windows Movie Maker. This program may be found standard with Windows XP, but it you don’t have it, the official Windows web page should offer a free download.
If you happen to possess either enough money or already happen to have them, some of you might find more solace in using more professional programs. Some of these I know of include Adobe Premiere and (Sony) Sonic Foundry Vegas. They’re very expensive, and while I certainly don’t suggest it, you may need to find cracked versions of these. But, if you do happen to have enough money, by all means, help support the creators of these programs and pay for it.
Preparation Programs.
These are the kinds of programs good for getting individual clips readied for assembly. Right now, the only program that I have heard of is Virtual Dub. This is a good program for extracting specific clips you want and cropping out all timestamps and subtitles if they are there. Doing a Google search for Virtual Dub will turn up a free download. And if you decide to simply use Movie Maker’s Collection folders and extract the clips straight from the source video, Virtual Dub is still extremely useful for cropping your final AMV. (Keeping in mind that this program only handles .AVIs and .MPEGs, so you’ll have to save it as such before being able to crop it.)
All right, now that you know about programs, I’m going to move on to the major problems encountered during AMVing and attempt to clearly list as many techniques to get around these as I can.
Clip Length.
This is just a guideline; you don’t necessarily have to follow it, but I have noticed that it does make a definite difference. Keep your clips and scenes short and sweet. I like to stick to five seconds and below for each clip, but any longer can work if it goes with the music and doesn’t have any talking (talking will be covered in another section). Long clips tend make the viewer grow bored and make the AMV seem long and drawn out. Keeping to the tempo and cutting your clips short will keep the viewer’s attention, so they won’t be inclined to skip ahead. I’m not afraid to admit that I have downloaded a few music videos before that were packed with lengthy clips, which I ended up fast forwarding through just because the thing was trying my patience. Short clips mean variety, which in turn means your AMV will be much more interesting to watch and people will not be inclined to kick it into the Recycle Bin after they only watch it once. :P I recommend taking a look at Ryouko’s AMVs for a good example of variety and clip length. She alternates between clips at a good pace set to the music without lingering long, which in turn makes her AMVs upbeat and very fun to watch.
Talking.
Argh, this is the problem that is the most bothersome, in my opinion. It absolutely irks me to NO end when an AMV is nothing but long, drawn out clips of people just… talking. The only time long talking scenes work out is if they have been tweaked to look like the characters are lip-synching the song. Otherwise, talking scenes have hardly any purpose in an AMV. When you watch an AMV, all you hear is a song, and all you see are clips that are supposed to match with the song. When I see Netto standing around, lips moving while a guitar riff plays, I’m inclined to think ‘Uh… wtf?’ Sometimes it has subtitles, but subtitles aren’t meant to be in an AMV in the first place, and people would rather see people moving around in time to the music as opposed to looking blankly off screen while they talk to who knows, and you’re left reading the subtitles when you only want to do that when you’re watching your episodes, not trying to enjoy an AMV.
Sometimes, when your AMV is slow-paced or dramatic, you think that talking is all that will fit, since action has no place set with pianos and angsty words and whatnot. This is where a few helpful techniques come in. First off, ‘action’ is a sketchy definition at best - your immediate thought when someone says action is R-Rockman slicing-and-dicing Beastman or something along those lines. However, when I say action, I mean anything involving any sort of motion. Instead of having Enzan standing around talking to Netto before they start beating the snot out of each other, you can cut it down and just use the major, discernible actions, like Enzan knocking Netto off him, Netto punching him, or when Enzan gave up after being pinned to the ground. This way is probably the harder type to work with, because sometimes the major actions in a talking scene are a bit too distracting or don’t fit with the mood of the music.
This brings me to a second technique, which, if you take a look at Rockman EXE.’s AMVs, you’ll see tends to look very effective. Instead of taking all of the actions from Enzan and Netto’s fight scenes, what you do is you let the character talk. Let them open their mouth a few times (but don’t let them talk TOO long!), before flipping over to another character and doing the same, constantly flipping and letting them open their mouths a select few times. That way, instead of losing the emotional effect by doing only actions, you show the viewer that ‘Hey, these two are mad and they’re arguing!’ or something along those lines, without losing their interest or drawing the AMV out.
Timing and Appropriateness.
These two fall in line rather often, so I decided to squash them into one section. When you’re making an AMV, you can’t forget that the video has to at least match up with the song and/or lyrics. If you randomly throw down several clips to a song, chances are you’re not going to get lucky and things are just going to fall in place. Making things go on time and match up with any sort of beat can be tedious, but in the end it will look MUCH better. Timing isn’t as hard once you get the hang of it, especially when using specific types of songs that have an easy-to-follow beat. However, there are some songs out there that do have rather erratic tempos, which does serve as a challenge. What you do is you try your hardest to match every discernible beat that you can, and try not to get lazy and only flow with a select few beats.
Appropriateness is sort of similar to timing, but a little harder to work with depending on the song, and a real challenge to make it work together with timing. Appropriateness means having the clips go along with the lyrics as best as they can-meaning both having the clips match the tempo of the words, as well as have the clips’ contents match as well. For example, if you have a heavy rock song playing and the guy’s yelling about killing stuff… don’t stick in a clip of Netto and Chisao jumping into the hot springs and burning their bums off. I’ve seen people do things like this before, and it just makes me wonder ‘…What were they thinking/smoking when they put THAT on there?’ It hardly fits, and half the time probably doesn’t even match the beat, either. Don’t just stick on random clips because they fit the music; try to have some sort of theme that matches the song, no matter how general. You can get really specific, like I did with Zips - strictly CF - or very general, like Ryouko did with Digital Anguish - anything emotional and/or violent. It doesn’t matter which you choose, so long as I don’t see Enzan in a towel laughing while angry white boy polka plays in the background (*shameless Weird Al plug*).
J-Pop, J-Rock, K-Rock, etc.
Decided to make a subcategory for this one. Timing and appropriateness are harder to do with songs that you don’t know what’s being said. In these cases, listen to the song first and decide ‘What/who does this song fit with? Do I think of a specific theme when I hear this?’ You could even go so far as looking up a translation and fitting to that, but even then this is hardly appreciated (unless you happen to post the translations or even put the translations in subtitles at the bottom, or the rare case that someone knows that language.)
But, otherwise, your best bet and the easiest thing to do is to pick a theme that sounds like it fits to the song and try to time the clips with the beat of the music and the tempo of the words, rather than their meaning. I’d say take a look at Just Once More by Ryouko, but I don’t know if she happened to know the translation to that or not ^^; An example I know for sure would be my own music video, Cross_Fusion.ZIPS. I didn’t look up the translations until halfway through, and they have absolutely nothing to do with CF. XD;
Variety.
Yes, I did cover a type of variety in ‘Clip Length’. However, this kind is different - this time, I’m talking about repetitiveness. Use a clip once; make a mental note you already used it and try not to use it again. Sometimes you think using a clip only twice won’t hurt so long as it’s a short clip and the line it goes with is repeated, and while sometimes I don’t see too much wrong with this, you’re still probably going to get critiqued/nitpicked at for repeating scenes. One challenge of making AMVs is to keep it fresh and keep throwing different clips at the viewer, instead of weighing them down with several repeating clips. You might be able to slip by with a few exceptions, but for the most part, try to find something else that will fit. I saw an AMV once that repeated the whole ‘Forte appears in glowy light on the tower’ clip probably four or five times. It was annoying, boring, and made me want to fast forward. Never repeat a long clip, because it’s easier to spot it the longer it is. Even short clips can be spotted - once, I thought I could get away with repeating the clip of Rockman falling into the abyss in episode 24 of EXE. Naturally, people saw it and told me it didn’t look good, so I found a substitute - that being Rockman falling into the abyss in Stream 1. While sometimes you may not get as lucky as I did, your best bet is to keep looking, ask for help, and/or try to get as close as you can. If you can’t find another clip, you might have to substitute with something that just barely fits. So long as you don’t repeat a clip over and over and over, I’m sure your viewers will be happy and not mind too much.
Transitions.
Most video programs have a nice, long list of transitions somewhere in them. You see them all? See the pretty ‘Shatter’, ‘Flip’, ‘Peel’, et cetera ones? …Don’t touch them. There should be a select few, most likely named things like ‘Fade’, ‘Crossfade’, ‘Flash’, and et cetera - these are your best friends when you make an AMV. All those pretty ones that alter the video and make it look like someone’s peeling it away, or the picture shatters like a mirror to go to the next scene, or whatnot, are not meant for AMVs. These were made specifically for things like slideshows, graduation videos, and things of that nature. I’ve hardly ever seen a music video that can make these work out, so I recommend sticking to the basic crossfade from the first scene to the next. Flashes are good too, as well as fading out, but these are most useful when you finish one thought and move to another. Fading to black tends to come across as a gradual change to the next scene, while fading to white is better for if you want it to seem sudden (unless, of course, you draw out the flash, which is often good for if you’re trying to show something similar to a flashback). At the same time, black often brings across drama, while white is more indicative of action (again, depending on how fast it is). This doesn’t always apply, but I’ve noticed that for the most part that’s how it’s done. Digital Anguish by Ryouko is a great example of fading out to black in order to change scenes and/or start a new thought.
Speed.
Speed can either be your friend or your worst enemy. If your song is fast and upbeat, you’ll often feel the need to speed things up for them to fit in time. I encourage this; however, try not to go overboard. Look at the clip after you speed it up and ask yourself ‘Does it still look natural, or does it look better slower than this?’ I’ve made the mistake of trying to speed up every last clip I put in and cram them all together to match the beat, and ended up losing a lot of the emotion I was trying to convey. Try to balance it out - make sure your clips don’t linger too long, but also, make sure that they aren’t going so fast you don’t know what the heck’s happening.
I don’t recommend slowing things down, especially if you’re using Movie Maker. Movie Maker is annoying as heck to use for controlling speed, and you should NEVER slow down clips using it. They become choppy and it’s easy to tell they’ve been slowed down. There might be a few exceptions here and there with a few clips just because of their nature, but I recommend that if you HAVE to slow something down, don’t use WMM for it. Vegas is wondrous about things like this (you can actually control the speed all the way to the decimal point) and from what I’ve seen, so is Premiere. However, if you are stuck with WMM, I suggest if you’re using a slow song and want a mood that fits it, keep the clips as is, unless they just don’t fit at all. My favorite example for speed would be Ryouko’s ‘Bring Me to Life’.
Hokay, that’s the most I could think of. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, and if you can think of another thing I should cover, tell me and I’ll type up a nice paragraph as fast as I can just for you. I’m just that nice. :)
Also, if something I typed makes no sense or I was false about something, don’t be afraid to ask me to clarify or to point it out. I won’t hurt you much. :D Oh, and by clarify, I mean little parts. Don’t ask me to summarize the whole thing, because I won’t be happy with you if you do. Don’t be lazy, and read something for once.
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Synchro-Kun SOS団 =/= Club!
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Music Video Making Technique/Guideline Tutorial |
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DeadlySerenade wrote: | This brings me to a second technique, which, if you take a look at Rockman EXE.’s AMVs, |
WooT! I saw me in the tutorial! Who-Whoo!
Anyway, *ahem*, nice tutorial! I am sure a lot of people will make better AMVs and less AMVs will be in my recycle bin after they read this. Oh, btw, I think you should add one thing: try to use raw episodes to do your AMV. Because the chances that you don't have any converter to convert your AMV to a .avi or .mpeg file format and Sonic Foundry Vegas (considering the cost) is pretty high if your parents won't let you buy such things. Also, if you are making AMVs, if you have to use subs, try to use scenes that doesn't have more than 1 line of sub; because if it's about 2 lines or 3 lines, chances are that you have to cropped a huge portion of the entire AMV just for that particular scene, unless you know some technique (which even I didn't learn from DS yet) to fix those kind of parts.
And 2nd thing; try NOT to save your AMV into a big file size. Why? because it will lower the quantity of viwers GREATLY. Think about it: you will prevent all the 56k modem users from downloading your AMV because of their slow speed. You will also prevent all those people who has bad patience, like me ^ ^;;(if isn't because I am using DSL, I would have stopped downloading AMVs a long time ago), and people who has low disk space to share. What I am trying to say is, don't save your AMV in a ridiculously big size, but also don't save it in a ridiculously small size that all we can see is blur. Saved it as small as you can that is visible and the music is not something that will hurt human ears, because the chances that people will dump your AMVs into your recycle bin just because they can't see/hear you AMV well is really high. If you HAVE to have a HQ up, try to save a LQ too for those 56k users.
There, I saved your trouble and typed you up paragraphs! ^_^ _________________
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Kai Newbie Mod!
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Music Video Making Technique/Guideline Tutorial |
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Rockman EXE. wrote: | unless you know some technique (which even I didn't learn from DS yet) to fix those kind of parts. |
I would have included the technique in question in here, but for one it'd take so long to explain that it's best for it's OWN tutorial, and two, I only know how to explain the Virtual Dub to Vegas technique, and nothing else. ._.; |
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Goddamn. @_@
Nice tutorial, DS. I can take some EXTREMELY helpful tips from this to help me if I ever have any future projects. Thanks very much, Serenade! ^_^ _________________ I suck! |
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i think it would be helpful if you could find some good uploading sites for us to use. so far, i haven't found any (yousendit took too long, Google hasn't replied, etc.). _________________ just call me xfyre. not xfyrethespooky. |
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You can use AMV.org (If you have FTP program), megaupload.com, www.rapidshare.de, and much more. _________________
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my comp sez that rapidshare can't be found. also, you have to be a member of AnimeMusicVideos.org. i don't wanna sign up for yet another site. i think i might have tried Megaupload, i'm not sure.
EDIT: all right. i just finished with Mega.
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xfyrethespooky wrote: | i think it would be helpful if you could find some good uploading sites for us to use. so far, i haven't found any (yousendit took too long, Google hasn't replied, etc.). |
From the Rules: 3) It is your responsibility to find your own host for your videos. Do not plead to others
This is a tutorial for -making- music videos, not hosting them. I host with www.sharebigfile.com though, if that helps any. Look around at the AMVs here and what they're hosted with, and give those a shot. |
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I host all Rockman.exe AMVs on my website at EXEHQ.com
If anyone wants to be hosted permanently (or until I get on my manly period and not accept anything else), PM me at REO, at EXEHQ, or e-mail me at either Mendicino@GMail.com or proto22xx@yahoo.com _________________ I suck! |
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Kaito The Ramen Bandit wrote: | how do you make great music videos? |
With talent XP Making a good AMV requires practice and time. You require sources -videoclips to use for the animation- search in google for the software DeadlySerenade recommends and some tutorials for its basic use. The rest is up to your ability to put together music and the scenes you crop from the anime clips. _________________ Hecha en MÉXICO - Avatar by Me.
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And many times of getting taught and experiences. Don't expect to make something uber awesome in your first try. It is, impossible, according to me. _________________
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if you want to make great music videos then you have to work hard at it and learn how to use programs like Windows Movie Maker and Virtual Dub and Power Director 2 Etc.... its takes time and partice to make a good AMV locky for me the first AMV i made was a hit "Megaman Hero" but the only reason why it was good was because i had to remake it 7 times before i liked what i saw ^.^. heres a tip after your done with your AMV watch it before you let anyone else see it so you can see for your self if its good or not. _________________
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Kaito The Ramen Bandit wrote: | so how do you put one picture from Virtual Dub to the Window's Movie Maker... Ryo, you know why don't you answer my question.... how do you make great music videos? |
*koff* I made this tutorial, therefore I am inclined to answer your questions. Sorry I'm not Ryouko, but I promise I try. :P
Okay, for the question at hand. First off, you need to get VirtualDub open, then tell it to open whatever episode/clip it is you want. Then, using the bar at the bottom, drag that notch until you find the beginning of the scene you want. Go to the menu at the top and go to Edit > Set Selection Start. Now, drag the notch to the end of the scene you want, and go to Edit > Set Selection End. Hay, there you are, you've got your clip sectioned off. From here you can go to Video in the menu and do as many video effects you want (including cropping out timestamps and subs), or Audio and set the clip to have no audio when it is saved. Once you're happy and dandy with the selection, go to File > Save as AVI. Give it a name, find a location, and save. When it's done saving, pull up Movie Maker, and do the usual Import Video or whatever and go find that clip. Voila, it should appear in Collections and be perfectly useable. Wash, rinse, and repeat until you have all the clips you need.
Hope that helped! |
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anyone know how to put watermarks in an AMV? _________________
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The only way I know of to put watermarks on an AMV is with the program Sonic Foundry Vegas. There's an option to Add Text Media, which you should do on a separate video timeline so that it overlaps the video. From there you change it to say what you like and drag it to whatever location you want. |
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I need to know three things.
What are watermarks?
and does anyone know where I can download Windows Movie Maker from the internet?
and can you save your music video so you can continue it anywhere else? _________________ JOIN MY FORUM BEFORE I HUNT YOU DOWN... The site is http://the_otakuv_village.myfreeforum.org/index.php
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Kaito The Ramen Bandit wrote: | I need to know three things.
What are watermarks?
and does anyone know where I can download Windows Music Maker from the internet?
and can you save your music video so you can continue it anywhere else? |
dude there is no such thing as Window Music Maker trust me i looked it up after i saw your post. _________________
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