Could someone help me with my problem?

Fortex

I'm kinda shy to post something like this. But, since i have nowhere to share, so i decided to post it here.

Here is the problem. Read the story.
My friend, who is a Rockman.Exe Fan, said something like this
"Hey, Fort, what's with this Rockman's look?

I replied, "What? Which Rockman is it?"

He said, "This one, the one with the strange Buster's look on its hand?" by previewing the Ryuusei no Rockman's picture in my laptop.

Then, i say, "Oh, that is Ryuusei no Rockman. It's the next generation, the further generation of Rockman.EXE."

Then, he loudly say, "I don't accept this kind of look!!!"

"Why? But that's the next gen of Rockman.Exe, the Rockman that you and i are keen on." i said

"I know. But i really hate this kind of look." he said.

" Give me your reason then. After you watch its anime" I replied by giving him the VCD

"Okay, let me give it a watch" said my friend

3 - 4 days later...
"How about it?" I said

"No, now i really turned out to hate this Rockman." said by my friend

"Okay, Give me your reason. Calmly and clearly." i said

"Okay, here it is." my friend said. "The thing that i hate the most is its look, like i said before. I don't like his Buster's look, why could be a gun/buster talking to its gunner? it's kinda silly to me. I know that Subaru and War-Rock is in fuse, but i think, turning War-Rock into his Buster on his hand is really strange and i can't get it. Can War-Rock be placed in another part of Subaru's body? Like on his head, for the helmet, for instance."
Then, my friend continues, "I turned out to prefer the enemies to Rockman itself. His enemies, Ophiuca, Cygnus, Libra, or Gemini, that i like the most, are more better on the look. Since their look are really suitable to their position as the character. Like Cygnus, from a Swan, then Cygnus Wing turned out to be a man with great white wings."

I then replied, "But that's Capcom's doing, it has no business with me. It's kinda useless if you blame all the talk to me."

He quickly replied, "But then, as a Rockman fan, do you just simply accept something like this? Not even a comment for Capcom came out from your lips about the mater of Rockman's design? Just accept Ryuusei's deisgn with a happy smile?"

I replied, "I'm a new Rockman fan, just like you. So, i can't object all your opinion."

Then, he say, "So, you just give up even your own friend made an asshaming talk to your beloved Rockman. You shouldn't do that. I turned out to love Rockman.Exe, just like you since you eagerly told everything you've got about Rockman.Exe. But to this next gen Rockman, you just gone numb."

I replied, "I still don't know much about this Ryuusei Rockman. If you still insist and wanna find someone who could explain about design matter of Ryuusei's look, i think i could ask a more experienced fan about this.'

He said, "That's a good idea. I wanna know the reply of the another Rockman fan about my opinion that i just said about Ryuusei. I need someone to explain about why Ryuusei could have that kind of look especially on the Buster thingie, and his look at general."

Then, i said, "Okay, let me post your opinion on the net someday."

Fiuh, that's quite long. Okay, that's the problem. I hope someone could understand the problem.
I turned out to some sort of broke with him because of this matter.

This is MY FRIEND's opinion, not me. If you blame me, it's useless. I just asked to post his opinion in a Rockman Fans Forum.

That's that from me. Reply and explain please. Tell me what i should say to him
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TheWebbuilder · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:47 am Post subject:

Bottom line: character designs and whether you like them or not are completely subjective. What one person likes, the other may not.

There's no reason to get upset over the way a character is designed. Some people may like the design, others may not. There's nothing you can really do about it, and there's no 'right' way to look at such a design. What one person likes is not automatically 'good' and what another person likes is not automatically 'bad'.

Some people happen to love the new RockBuster, and I can remember several people immediately going 'COOL DOGS DUUD!' when the design was first released. Other people didn't necessarily like it, and they said so.

If your friend doesn't like Ryuusei's design, fine. If he wants to send his comments to Capcom, by all means do so. But he shouldn't expect you to agree with him in every regard. If you do happen to like Ryuusei's design, good for you, but don't shove your likes/dislikes onto your friend.

You're both just going to have to agree to disagree. You both hold different opinions, and there's nothing wrong with that. You just have to understand each other and not hold it against the other person.

A classic example is my work with Rhythm. I may be partial to the Rhythm x Blues pairing, but I'm not going to get upset with someone if they suggest a Blues x Medi pairing. We both have different ideas about what we like, and that's alright. It's the diversity of ideas and thoughts that makes being in a fandom so much fun.
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Haly K · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject:

TheWebbuilder sumed it up pretty well, but I feel I must add on one thing:

At least the design isn't WORSE than it already is. After all, they could have put War-Rock not on Rockman's head, but on his butt! Laughing

Make sure to tell your friend that, okay? Wink

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Tachyon360 · Le Croissant Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 740

Pssh. If your friend has a problem with War Rock inhabiting Rockman's left hand, point him to Parasyte.
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SeijinKage13 · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: disagree

Yes, pretty rude of your friend to say. That goes as an insult to many people who actually adore this version. I myself like it.

cccd-erckie · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject:

This is kinda making a big deal out of nothing. If the guy doesn't like Ryusei no Rockman's design, he shouldn't be given a guilt trip because of it.
I know of a similar situation where I tried showing an old friend of mine some pictures of Ryusei no Rockman. He took one look at the new design and said he hated it, saying something along the lines of "just trying to make Rock look cooler," meaning he felt the design was just a re-hash of the old EXE design.
I shrugged and dropped it. It's not really that big a deal. If he likes it, great. If he doesn't like it, oh well. Maybe it'll grow on him, eventually.
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Rock Miyabi · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:46 am Post subject:

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TheWebbuilder · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject:

It's a RockMan.EXE forum that's populated with a sizable majority of Ryuusei fans, whaddaya expect? That we'd tell him we hate Ryuusei and his time is better spent watching Magi Nation? Razz

(Note that I have no idea what Magi Nation is, I just chucked WB into Google and yanked out the first thing that appeared even remotely kiddy.)

In all seriousness, just give it time. If the design grows on him, fine. If it doesn't, no great shakes.
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ComicX6 · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject:

Personally, I like Ryuusei's designs quite a bit. I've always had a spot in my heart for traditional science fiction, so I found the concept of basing bosses off of constellations, and the subsequent designs to be pretty creative. I liked how the artwork combined the streamlined, shiny-ness of the later EXE series with a new, even more futuristic look.

While I applaud your friend for handling this in a mature way, mailing Capcom to change the design of the main character is not going to make a lick of difference.
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Fortex · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:48 am Post subject:

My friend said something again, and i was being asked again to post it here, as the continuation of this talk. Of course he had seen and read all the replies above.

"Hey, Fort. Please post this in the Rockman forum that you're on."

"I understand all of the other fans's replies, especially The Web Builder's.
And i don't meant to force Fortex, my friend, to make him hate Ryuusei."

"The thing that is questioned is :
What is the real thing that makes some Rockman fans love Ryuusei's design?
Are they really goes to the design? Or just because that Ryuusei's design is a Capcom creation so that they accept everything of Capcom's creation include 'garbage' made by Capcom such as design of Ryuusei?
If that so, then that means, Rockman Fans are no more than just jokes/nothing
Since a real fan doesn't took any sight to the status/famousness of its creator, but they really like the 'creation' of the creator."
"I'm really sorry if i'm too rude, but please reply my post posted by Fortex. Since as a new fan, i just want some clearance. Thank you"

Well, that's that. I'm just a mediator since he doesn't have any account in this forum yet.
Please reply guys, for my friend
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Robin.exe · Net Official Age: 36 Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 321

We're Rockman fans because we love Rockman..Every Megaman/Rockman version is always gonna be Rockman to us Fans.

Sure we might have issues here and there but we still enjoy it and see how it goes once we give it a chance.

All I can reply is just, We're Rockman fans and proud of it.

DanSidney · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:21 am Post subject:

I like the design. I looked at some other "beta phase" designs on Atomic Fire and I WINCED. I like how sleek it looks now.

If I may say, just to prove I'm not thinking everything Capcom makes for Rockman is gold, I don't really like the Tribe King. He's too... clumsy. Too much stuff to it. I love how sleek yet stilish Rockman looks in this incarnation, he can move freely and has enough distinguishing parts to recognize him from others, but Tribe King just doesn't cut for me.
The talking hand is cute, it's like two characters at once in ways MUCH better than Rockman.EXE anime did. I didn't really like it back then, it was all Netto-Netto-Netto. I wanted Rockman.
Now Rockman is a fusion of Subaru and WarRock, which solves the problem.
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cccd-erckie · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:31 am Post subject:

The design is very reminicent of Rockman.exe's old design, yet bears a unique and futuristic twist.
The design takes into account what Rockman.exe looked like, yet simultaneously incorperates what WarRock's design in a few very subtle ways, namely the marking on the helmet, chest plate, and red visor: all of which are derived from WarRock's normal form. (Yes, I know WarRock was most likely designed with these subtleties in mind, but upon seeing them played out as Rockman, I was drawn into the illusion that Rockman's design was based off WarRock's.)
That, and I think the Buster is a funny addition. A talking weapon just seems funny to me, especially one with an attitude like WarRock.
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NumberGirl · Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject:

Well, I think it depends on the fans themselves.

There are people who consider themselves Final Fantasy fans but only ever played FF8, and wouldn't even consider touching anything earlier than FF7. Some of those who consider themselves "true" Final Fantasy fans denounce FF8, FFX-2, FF12 and later titles.

In the same way, some members of the Rockman fanbase denounced the EXE series off the bat, but some were won back when the Soul Unisons came along.

It all goes down to personal preferences.

You may not like the character design but like the gameplay.
You may adorethe character design but play the game only for the cutscenes and not for "completion".

So the answer to what friend was asking on whether or not the fans "just accept whatever Rockman design Capcom comes up with", it depends on the individual fan.
Some will go "COOL! I love it already!"
Some will go "Fine by me."
Some will go "Oooookay. I'll wait for the next one."
Some will go "Capcom, you just lost a buyer of your games."

Just remember: A part does not define the whole.

EDIT:
Ah yes, your friend mentioned "garbage"?
One man's trash is another man's treasure Wink

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TheWebbuilder · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:34 am Post subject:

Fortex · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject:

I can also join and put one or two words, right?
So, now is my chance to say something

Actually, i myself love Ryuusei's design. One word that i could say at the first galnce is, "Oh, Stylish kid." That's that

But somehow i found a funny thing. I'd never imagined that the spiky thing on his head is his hair
Oh God, i never imagined such kind of hair. But since bizzare hair style is usual in anime things, that's okay.
I turned out laughing, don't know why. In my heart, i wanna say, "Hey, Rock, you've got yourself a new weapon instead of your usual Buster, huh? It's the spiky, or should i say, saw-like hair that you've got there. I think it can be used to scracth on something, hehehe."

That's it. I was quite surprised.
For hair thing, i like long hair ones, like Rockman Zero and ZX. Though it's strange to have robots with long hair.
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HikariMiyuki · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:11 am Post subject:

well, my opinion would be almost the same as the others already posted. I am a RockmanExe fan, I watch Ryussei and play ZX, but the one I truely love is the EXE series. Different ppl have different likes and dislikes so it would be fair to respect other ppl's opinions.
I myself like Misora's design, but I prefer Roll to her. (no offense)
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Mona Risa · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:29 am Post subject:

I myself have not been in that much contact with Ryuusei, I only saw a brief bit of an ep and ofcourse saw pictures. So being as little informed as I am, my opinion may seem shallow. But I kinda agree with what people said about being 'used' to the R.EXE look.

Since the R.EXE Rockman kinda looks simular to the original Rockman (the one I grew up with), the switch from classic Rockman to R.EXE wasn't as extreme. But the changes made in Ryuusei are just a bit too drastic for me to take a liking to. Perhaps, in the future, I'll change my opinion.
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